Wikileaks Cable: US Gov. Ceases HIV Testing Visa Applicants and Calls HIV infection “Not A Communicable Disease That Is Of Significant Public Health Risk.”

Wikileaks Cablegate

This is a cable from the Office of The Secretary of State dated 16 Dec, 2009, published at WikiLeaks, following Cablegate. It states that on Nov 2nd, 2009, HHS/CDC published a “Final Rule in the Federal Register that will remove HIV infection from the list of communicable diseases of public health significance and remove references to HIV from the scope of medical examinations for aliens.” The Final Rule went into effect on January 4, 2010. A quote from the cable reads:

“The CDC determined that while HIV infection is a serious health condition, it is not a communicable disease that is a significant public health risk for introduction, transmission, and spread through casual contact. — We refer you to the CDC for further guidance.”

We publish here the cable in its entirety, and encourage you to discuss its significance in our comments section. Truth Barrier Editor Celia Farber will be discussing the significance of this cable with a panel of guests on her new show “Radio Free Science,” on PRN (ProgressiveRadioNetwork.com) on Friday March 16, 3 pm EST. Please tune in.

–Celia Farber


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TAGS: CVIS CMGT
SUBJECT: HIV FINAL RULE 

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1.  SUMMARY:  On November 2, the Department of Health 
and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and 
Prevention (HHS/CDC), published a Final Rule in the 
Federal Register that will remove HIV infection from the 
list of communicable diseases of public health 
significance and remove references to HIV from the scope 
of medical examinations for aliens.  The final rule will 
go into effect on January 4, 2010.  This cable provides 
guidance to posts for handling cases involving HIV after 
January 4, 2010, and in the interim.  END SUMMARY. 

2.  The CDC published a final rule in the Federal 
Register on November 2, 2009, entitled Medical 
Examination of Aliens - Removal of Human 
Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) Infection from Definition 
of Communicable Disease of Public Health Significance 
(HIV Final Rule) (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009- 
11-02/pdf/E9-26337.pdf).  The final rule amends Title 42 
of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Part 34, by 
removing HIV infection from the definition of 
communicable disease of public health significance and 
by removing references to HIV from the scope of medical 
examinations for aliens.  The final rule goes into 
effect on January 4, 2010.  As of this date, HIV 
infection will no longer be an inadmissible condition, 
and HIV testing will no longer be required for medical 
examinations for visa purposes.  Further, applicants who 
are HIV-positive will no longer require waiver 
processing by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). 

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FAM Updates 
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3.  By the effective date of the final rule, January 4, 
2010, the HIV Technical Instructions will be removed 
from the CDC website.  CDC guidance to panel physicians 
about the HIV final rule is forthcoming and will be 
posted on the CDC website.  The guidance from CDC will 
discuss panel physicians counseling applicants on HIV 
and recommend testing to any visa applicants who may 
benefit from having testing for HIV infection.  A panel 
physician may also perform the HIV testing if the 
applicant consents to it, but must disclose to the 
applicant that the applicant does not have to be tested 
for HIV and that the results of the HIV test will be 
provided to the consular section processing his or her 
visa application as part of the visa medical examination 
packet of forms. 

When HIV infection is disclosed by an applicant, the 
panel physician should record the HIV infection as a 
Class B Other condition on the DS 2053/2054.  Panel 
physicians should put a line through the spaces for HIV 
test results on the DS 2053/2054 until those forms are 
amended. 

4.  A new Note will be added to 9 FAM as 9 FAM 42.66 and 
will read as follows: 

9 FAM 42.66 N17 APPLICANTS SUSPECTED OF BEING HIV 
POSITIVE BY THE PANEL PHYSICIAN 

On November 2, 2009, CDC issued the HIV Final Rule 
removing HIV infection from the definition of 
communicable disease of public health significance 
effective January 4, 2010.  It removed HIV infection as 
a ground of ineligibility under 42 CFR 34 and serologic 
testing for HIV from the scope of the medical 
examination for immigration purposes.  However, for 
applicants who may benefit from being tested for HIV, 
the panel physician may counsel the applicant about HIV, 
and may administer an HIV serologic test, if the 
applicant consents to the testing.  The panel physician 
must also inform the applicant that they do not have to 
be tested for HIV and that the results of the HIV 
serologic testing will be provided to the consular 
section processing his or her visa application as part 
of the visa medical examination packet of forms. 

---END Text of Revised 9 FAM 42.66 N17--- 

5.  9 FAM 40.11 N9 will be amended as follows to reflect 
the change to the list of communicable disease of public 
health significance: 

INA 212(a)(1)(A)(i) refers to an excludable disease as 
"communicable disease of public health significance." 

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The CDC Technical Instructions lists these diseases in 
42 CFR 34(b).  The following diseases are those that CDC 
currently defines as "communicable diseases of public 
health significance:" Note that as of January 4, 2010, 
HIV is no longer included in this list. 

(1)  Chancroid; 

(2)  Communicable diseases as listed until Section 
361(b) of the Public Health Service Act.  The revised 
list of quarantinable communicable diseases is available 
on the CDC Public Health Service website; 

(3)  Communicable diseases that may pose a public health 
emergency of international concern if it meets one or 
more of the listed factors in 42 CFR 34.3(d); 

(4)  Gonorrhea; 

(5)  Granuloma inguinale; 

(6)  Hansen's disease (Leprosy), infectious; 

(7)  Lymphogranuloma venereum; 

(8)  Syphilis, infectious stage; and 

(9)  Tuberculosis, active. 

---END Text of Revised 9 FAM 40.11 N9--- 

6.  9 FAM 40.11 N9.1 will be amended as follows to 
reflect the change in regulation: 

HIV-positive applicants who were refused a visa under 
INA Section 212(a)(1)(A)(i) prior to January 4, 2010, 
are no longer ineligible.  Procedures for processing 
these cases are as follows: 

a.  If the last refusal on the case was less than one 
year ago, then the 212(a)(1)(A)(i) refusal should be 
overcome/waived in the system and a CLOK should be sent 
to remove the ineligibility from CLASS.  If the medical 
examination has expired it must be repeated. 

b.  If the last refusal on the case was more than one 
year ago, then the applicant must reapply for a visa, 
complete a new medical examination with a panel 
physician, and pay all applicable fees.  The 
212(a)(1)(A)(i) refusal should be overcome/waived in the 
system at the time of interview and a CLOK should be 
sent to remove the ineligibility from CLASS.  If the 
applicant is otherwise eligible, then the visa may be 
issued. 

c.  If a waiver application has already been submitted 
to USCIS and is pending decision, the application should 
be held until USCIS approval is granted or until January 
4, 2010, when a CLOK may be sent and the visa issued 
without a waiver (see para 11). 

---END Text of Revised 9 FAM 40.11 N9.1--- 

Although applicants with HIV cannot be found ineligible 
for visas under Section 212(a)(1)(A)(i) of the INA 
starting on January 4, 2010, they still must overcome 
INA Section 212(a)(4), public charge, by demonstrating 
to consular officers that they will have means of 
support in the United States and that they, therefore, 
will not need to seek public financial assistance. 

8.  9 FAM 40.11 N9.1-1 will be amended as follows to 
reflect the change in regulation: 

a.  Under section 212(a)(4) of the INA, an immigrant 
visa (IV) applicant must demonstrate that he or she has 
a means of support in the United States and that he or 
she, therefore, will not need to seek public financial 
assistance.  It may be difficult for HIV-positive 
applicants to meet this requirement of the law because 
the cost of treating the illness can be very high and 
because the applicant may not be able to work or obtain 
medical insurance.  You must be satisfied that the 
applicant has access to funds sufficient for his or her 
support.  You need to consider the family's income and 
other assets, including medical insurance coverage for 
any and all HIV-related expenses, availability of public 
health services and hospitalization for which no 
provision for collecting fees from patients are made, 
and any other relevant factors in making this 
determination. 

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b.  There is no waiver possible for this 
inadmissibility; however, if the applicant is able to 
demonstrate that he or she has acquired additional 
insurance or funds which would be sufficient to overcome 
the inadmissibility, you may determine that the 
ineligibility no longer applies. 

c.  On November 2, 2009, CDC issued the HIV Final Rule 
removing HIV infection from the definition of 
communicable disease of public health significance 
effective January 4, 2010.  Although HIV infection is no 
longer a ground of ineligibility under section 
212(a)(1)(A)(i) of the INA, the requirement that an HIV- 
positive applicant must demonstrate that he or she 
overcomes inadmissibility under section 212(a)(4) of the 
INA remains. 

---END Text of Revised 9 FAM 40.11 N9.1-1--- 

9.  The following 9 FAM Notes and Exhibits are also 
being amended to remove all references to HIV that are 
no longer applicable:  9 FAM 40.6, Exhibit I; 9 FAM 
40.11 Notes; 9 FAM 41.108 Notes; 9 FAM 42.66 Notes; 9 
FAM 42.66, Exhibit I; and 9 FAM 42.66, Exhibit II.  As 
these amendments consist mainly of deletions, they are 
not being provided in this ALDAC. 

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Medical Form Revisions 
---------------------- 

10.  The following medical examination forms are being 
revised to remove references to HIV and the sections for 
the laboratory findings of the HIV test:  Form DS-2053, 
Medical Examination For Immigrant or Refugee Applicant 
(For use with TB Technical Instructions 1991 and the DS- 
3024); Form DS-2054, Medical Examination For Immigrant 
or Refugee Applicant (For use with TB Technical 
Instructions 2007 and the DS-3030); and Form DS-3030, 
Chest X-Ray And Classification Worksheet.  Panel 
physicians should continue using the current versions of 
the forms through January 3, 2010, and should begin 
using the revised versions on January 4, 2010. 

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- 
Interim Refusals for HIV Cases between now and January 
4, 2010 
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- 

11.  Until the final rule goes into effect on January 4, 
2010, any HIV-positive visa applicants must still be 
found ineligible to receive a visa under INA Section 
212(a)(1)(A)(i).  Applicants may continue to apply for 
waivers of ineligibility from DHS.  In a memorandum 
(http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/New%20Structure/L aws%20and%2 
0Regulations/Memoranda/2009/HIVInadmissibilit yFinalHHSRu 
le.pdf) dated November 24, 2009, DHS directed its USCIS 
officers to hold in abeyance until January 4, 2010, any 
waiver application which would be denied under current 
law solely based on HIV infection.  That said, if the 
waiver is pending, and the applicant has already filed a 
waiver application which is approvable, the memorandum 
instructed USCIS officers to grant those waivers so that 
the cases can move forward.  Also, certain NIV 
applicants will continue to benefit from the HIV Waiver 
Authorization Final Rule.  Applicants may also choose to 
not submit waiver requests, but rather to wait until 
January 4,2010, when they will no longer be ineligible 
under INA Section 212(a)(1)(A)(i).  Any such applicants 
must still be refused in IVO or NIV, and posts would 
overcome the refusal on or after January 4, 2010. 

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Qs and As 
--------- 

12.  Posts that receive inquiries from the public and 
the press concerning the removal of HIV infection from 
the definition of communicable disease of public health 
significance are advised to use the following Qs and As, 
which will be posted on the CA Web intranet Visa Updates 
and Announcements and Content Finder sections.  On the 
Travel.state.gov Visa section, the Qs and As will be 
under Visa News on the right rail: 

Q:  Why has it taken the United States so long to 
implement changes for non-U.S. citizens who are HIV- 
positive to visit or live in the United States? 

-- On July 30, 2008, President Bush signed the United 

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States Global Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, 
and Malaria Reauthorization Act of 2008, which amended 
the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) to eliminate 
language that specified HIV infection as a public health 
condition that can prevent non-U.S. citizens from 
entering the United States with HIV without first 
obtaining a waiver from the Department of Homeland 
Security (DHS). 

-- The Act did not change the regulatory framework under 
which HIV is handled for visa purposes.  Because HIV was 
still on the U.S. Department of Health and Human 
Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's 
(HHS/CDC) list of communicable diseases of public health 
significance, HIV-positive applicants who applied for 
United States visas or entry into the United States 
remained inadmissible and still required waivers from 
DHS. 

Q:  Why is the CDC removing HIV infection from both the 
definition of communicable disease of public health 
significance and the scope of the medical examination 
for visa purposes? 

-- On July 2, 2009, CDC proposed a rule change to amend 
Title 42 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Part 
34, by removing HIV from the list of communicable 
disease of public health significance and from the scope 
of the medical examination for aliens, which was 
published in the Federal Register as a Notice of 
Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) for a 45-day public comment 
period. 

-- The CDC reviewed all public comments it received and 
published a Final Rule in the Federal Register on 
November 2, 2009, which contains no changes from the 
NPRM.  The final rule is effective January 4, 2010, and 
it removes HIV from the definition of a communicable 
disease of public health significance and references to 
HIV from the scope of medical examinations for aliens. 

-- The CDC determined that while HIV infection is a 
serious health condition, it is not a communicable 
disease that is a significant public health risk for 
introduction, transmission, and spread through casual 
contact. 

-- We refer you to the CDC for further guidance. 

Q:  How does this new regulation change the visa 
application process for applicants who are HIV-positive? 

-- Until the final rule goes into effect on January 4, 
2010, non-U.S. citizens who are HIV-positive cannot be 
admitted to the United States unless granted a waiver by 
the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).  Certain 
nonimmigrants may qualify for issuance of visas from 
consular officers without applying to DHS for waivers 
under a streamlined process established by DHS in its 
HIV Waiver Final Rule. 

-- Effective January 4, 2010, visa applicants required 
to receive medical examinations will not be tested for 
HIV, and HIV-positive visa applicants will not be found 
ineligible for visas under Section 212(a)(1)(A)(i) of 
the INA and will not need waivers from the Department of 
Homeland Security (DHS) prior to being issued visas, if 
otherwise qualified. 

-- Although applicants with HIV cannot be found 
ineligible for visas under Section 212(a)(1)(A)(i) of 
the INA starting on January 4, 2010, they still must 
overcome INA Section 212(a)(4), public charge, by 
demonstrating to consular officers that they will have 
means of support in the United States and that they, 
therefore, will not need to seek public financial 
assistance. 

Q:  How will this change affect HIV-positive applicants 
who have previously been refused a visa? 

-- Effective January 4, 2010 applicants who were 
previously refused visas only under INA Section 
212(a)(1)(A)(i) and only because they were HIV positive 
may be eligible for a visa.  These applicants may 
reapply for a visa.  A consular officer will then 
determine whether or not the applicant is qualified. 

Q:  How will this change affect how applicants complete 
their visa applicant forms? 

The DS-156 Nonimmigrant Visa Application, DS-160 Online 

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Nonimmigrant Application, and DS-230 Application for 
Immigrant Visa and Alien Registration forms contain the 
following question:  "Have you ever been afflicted with 
a communicable disease of public health significance or 
a dangerous physical or mental disorder, or ever been a 
drug user or addict?"  Effective January 4, 2010, HIV- 
positive visa applicants will no longer have to answer 
"Yes" to this question based solely on their HIV status. 
Applicants who are HIV-positive, and can otherwise 
answer "No" to the question, should answer "No" 
beginning on January 4, 2010. 

Q:  Are there any restrictions under this new rule? 

-- No.  After the final rule goes into effect on January 
4, 2010, HIV-positive visa applicants will no longer be 
ineligible to receive visas under Section 
212(a)(1)(A)(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act 
(INA.) 

Q:  How will non-US citizens with HIV find out about 
this new change? 

-- All U.S. embassies and consulates will disseminate 
information on the final rule to the general public as 
necessary. 

-- Consular officers will inform any visa applicants 
with HIV infection who apply for and are found 
ineligible for visas between now and January 4, 2010 
about the final rule.  Until January 4, 2010, visa 
applicants with HIV may still apply for waivers of 
ineligibly under Section 212(a)(1)(A)(i) of the INA from 
DHS.  Certain nonimmigrants may qualify for visas 
without first applying to DHS for waivers under a 
streamlined process established by DHS in its HIV Waiver 
Final Rule.  Alternatively, applicants previously 
refused visas under Section 212(a)(1)(A)(i) of the INA 
may opt to wait to apply for visas until January 4, 
2010, when they will no longer be ineligible. 

-- Additional guidance is available on CDC's website 
(http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dq/laws_regs/fed_r eg/remove- 
hiv/final-rule-hiv.htm). 

Q:  Before the effective date of January 4, 2010, what 
changes will take place for non-U.S. citizens with HIV 
infection who wish to enter the United States? 

-- Until the final rule goes into effect on January 4, 
2010, non-U.S. citizens who have HIV cannot be admitted 
to the United States without waivers granted by the 
Department of Homeland Security (DHS).  Certain 
nonimmigrants may qualify for issuance of visas from 
consular officers without first applying to DHS for 
waivers under a streamlined process established by DHS 
in its HIV Waiver Final Rule. 

Q:  Who is affected by the rule change? 

-- Effective January 4, 2010, all non-U.S. citizens with 
HIV who apply for visas or who apply for entry to the 
United States will be affected by the final rule because 
they will no longer be ineligible under Section 
212(a)(1)(A)(i) of the INA. 

-- Additionally, all immigrant visa applicants and 
refugees and some nonimmigrant visa applicants are 
required to have medical examinations prior to entrance 
into the United States.  Effective January 4, 2010, they 
will be affected by the final rule because it removes 
HIV from the scope of medical examinations for visa 
applicants, including HIV testing. 

Q:  Will the rule change increase the risk that average 
Americans will contract HIV? 

-- The CDC has determined that allowing non-U.S. 
citizens with HIV infection to enter the United States 
will not pose a health risk to the American public 
because HIV is preventable and not spread through casual 
contact or day-to-day activities. 

-- We refer you to the CDC's website 
(http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dq/laws_regs/fed_r eg/remove- 
hiv/final-rule-hiv.htm) for further information. 

13.  Any procedural questions about this guidance should 
be directed to CA/VO/F/P Rachel Hilton. 

14.  MINIMIZE CONSIDERED. 
CLINTON

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    Three years ago, after a heterosexual sexual encounter, I became seriously ill with what looks like the natural disease progression of AIDS. After an “acute infection” and a “period of asymptomatic health,” I have fallen extremely ill to an unrelenting, progressively-worsening AIDS-like demise. I can pinpoint exactly when I was infected with my “chronic viral syndrome of unknown etiology” and because the “acute infection” stage was so distinguishable, I can also pinpoint exactly when my undiagnosed pathogen left my body and infected yet another host.

    Whatever I am currently dealing with, it strongly resembles classic textbook HIV/AIDS disease. But, to add to my inquiry, I also clinically satisfy the CDC’s criteria for the diagnosis of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

    Increasingly, I have become concerned that my systemic diagnosis is caught up in the treacherous politics of CFIDS/ME and AIDS. Most people with CFIDS/ME do not like to talk about the many symptoms and immune abnormalities that they share with AIDS patients. I also suspect that most ailing patients would rather be told that they have the very mysterious CFS than to be told that they have AIDS.

    {more}

  28. AnthonyL says:

    “However, it is obviously a serious infectious disease threat worldwide.”

    Where precisely did you learn this startling fact, Mr Jason S? Since there have been more or less the same total of 1 million HIV positives in the US since the start of this “serious worldwide disease threat”, it seems that the US has entirely escaped it. Can you explain this? Was there some magic potion that the CDC handed out? Or was it simply that this is the finest country in the world, and boasts a public not very susceptible to fictional “serious infectious disease threats” which don’t pan out in any visible way?

    As a matter of fact, since the HIV tests test for antibody to HIV rather than the virus, which apparently is so overwhelmingly missing in AIDS patients even when they are dying that it is impossible to find without using PCR, which can find the equivalent of a needle in six acres of hayfield, since HIV is entirely missing in AIDS patients, as I say, and all that can be found is antibodies, can you tell me please how this can possibly be an “infectious disease” of any kind, even one that is “non contagious” through”casual contact”?

    I mean, how are your antibodies to HIV contagious? Your personal antibodies cannot be transmitted to any other person, can they? And if they could ever possibly be transmitted, then hey presto! that person would also enjoy immunity to HIV and all its ghastly supposed depredations.

    The suggestion that HIV/AIDS is “infectious” is that HIV antibodies are infectious, which is obvious twaddle, and that you or any smarty pants upright citizen could peddle such twaddle even in your own mind is one of the most amazing effects of CDC and NIAID propaganda, comparable only to the claptrap purveyed by established religion of the kind in which most of us were brought up. You go around convinced that your antibodies can cause a pandemic!

    Amazing!

    In case you don’t know what I am talking about, please refer to any child’s elementary textbook on how the immune system guards us against infections by creating antibodies. Those antibodies then conquer the infection and render us immune to further invasions. This is what happens in AIDS to HIV. We are left with antibodies to HIV. If we are still sane we are very happy about this. Or should be.

    Then the ignorant and the venal arrive with antibody test kits, measure us as antibody positive, call it incorrectly “HIV positive”, and tell us we will infect the world, and need noxious drugs in large and extremely expensive amounts to carry on living, until we die of what are evidently drug effects in at least half the 17,000 AIDS deaths registered by the CDC annually in the US even now.

    And you swallow this stuff, Mr Jason S. But so does the entire world, with the few exceptions that can think for themselves.

    When all they have to do is think for approximately two minutes, along the lines I have just stated, to see this is such claptrap that it rends asunder the very fabric of the universe of common sense that we know and love.

    But you apparently prefer to swim in the bog of inanity and puerile drivel created by Dr Anthony “Don’t blame me I have to do what the gays ask!” Fauci and his friends, Bob “I deserve a Nobel prize and they forgot me!” Gallo, and David “They threw me out of Rockefeller but I climbed back into CalTech!” Baltimore, and other such self serving antiscientists, rather than the most expert, authoritative and accomplished Peter Duesberg of Berkeley, who has explained all this for 27 years with the help of Celia Farber, David Rasnick, and a host of worthy lay supporters who have written over thirty books complementing Duesberg’s excellent Inventing the AIDS Virus, which stands as true and helpful now as it did when published last century. Exactly as true and helpful. Nothing has changed. Buy it!

    So Mr “Jason S”, what are you? Presumably you have taken the day or century off from thinking for yourself. Otherwise a man as smart as you, so sure of the eternal verities of HIV/AIDS propaganda and the “serious infectious threat worldwide” we face from transferring HIV antibodies to each other, could be thought a shill for the scientific spivs and charlatans who have fed their careers and bank accounts with this fiction, which has to be the most blatantly silly fairy tale that ever raised its deadly head in science and in medicine.

    Hello? Mr Jason S? Hello? Are you hearing what I say? Are you even awake? Helloooooooo!

    Nurse, see to this man, he is walking around with his eyes shut.

  29. Mhh nice and Celia is a pro, she just bounces off the pen and in to the mic and air waves and she already is brilliant., I surely enjoyed the show , i will be listening every Friday. It has kicked me in to a reality corner. Back in 2009 Celia was trying to get me to RA 2009 and in my mind I knew even if money was not a problem there was an immigration issue which i would fail definitely. i WAS WONDERING IF cELIA WOULD GET ME A SPECIAL waiver to enter as HIV +’s were excluded. My hope for America as long as the HIV test kits still are in use is O. The HIV Test kits would keep me outside the American Borders. the law was so discriminatory worse just as the racist laws that South Africa had, keeping the blacks out of the white area and the whites out of the black area. I am quite surprised it was a known policy by the simple people like me. I can tell you, I would never walk across American Soil with a free soul, the many people they rejected out of a false hiv positive result went back hurting deeply. It must have taken advocacy from a well reasoning source to get them to see that AIDS does not have wings and its contained within. May people ask me Onnie why dont you handle people with gloves, you will get AIDS? i SAY TO THEM you have more infections to give them that they can give you so when you wear gloves wear them knowing your are the threat and not the patient.’I love this show. Any ratings Celia

    The other think I heard Dr Rasnick which I see even here is that if you are in the system you sing the humpty dumpty song even though you don”t like it, but once you are out your honest being tell you no you cant and people of all back ground speak up at the cost of being sidelines, fired or written of as crazy. i love the latter. A gut who used to’work in a Radio station told me about two weeks after stárting my blog that “If you want to know you are doing something right, look out for the insanity label, its the easiest but unfortunately in does not affect the people who deserve to have your service or

  30. test says:

    testing posting a comment

  31. Brian Carter says:

    You know, interesting finds like this are always good, for it sets up in the mind of interested but yet purely hypnotized people, a reason for saying, hummm, or WTF?

    I’m more interested in the spin that the high priests and priestesses, like Kalichman et al are going to put on this.

  32. achille says:

    the hiv fraud is already wellknown to public, nobel prizes and even the hiv discovere montagner, just confirmed here once again

    interviews to hiv discoverer and nobel prizes in the documentary “the house of numbers”

  33. Andy Lindsay says:

    @ the bogus Jason Stratham, are you now telling us that sexual encounters dont count , like in the pre hiv test amble to catch someone in a risk group ? , for which there would be no way for a clinician to make a diagnosis without that admission according to every AIDS Inc franchise on the planet.

    Consider this if you will , you and your ilk. A communicable disease is carried by microorganisms and transmitted through people, animals, surfaces, foods, or air. Communicable diseases rely on fluid exchange, contaminated substances, or close contact to travel from an infected carrier to a healthy individual.

    So to go from this:
    QUOTE “Note with alarm that we are facing an unprecedented human catastrophe; that a quarter of a century into the pandemic. UNQUOTE
    http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/60/262&Lang=E

    To this:
    “CDC issued the HIV Final Rule removing HIV infection from the definition of communicable disease”.

    Id say that kinda boots the hole outa your HIV theory , wouldnt you and your ilk ?! .

    Congratulations on ramming it up them Celia.
    Andy Lindsay.

  34. I don’t think Celia is negligent in anyway….it’s official that it is not!

  35. frankie says:

    This is old news, and its no secret either. this info has been available since 2009. google is your friend.

  36. Jason Statham says:

    ” introduction, transmission, and spread through casual contact”

    NO SHIT. It has been known for years that HIV is not spread through CASUAL CONTACT. That is the operative word. It is an INFECTIOUS disease, not a contagious disease.

    Nothing new, Celia – not much of a find. You ignore the operative words and portray it out of context: it is NOT a significant public health risk through “casual contact.” No one has thought this for years, including the CDC. However, it is obviously a serious infectious disease threat worldwide.

    You prove yourself negligent every occasion you and your ilk (all 8 of them) get.

  37. SSom says:

    Great find!

  38. Clark Baker says:

    HIV reminds me of the old Hudson & Landrey skit “Kearsarge”, in which a questionably-literate farmer explains that he grows radishes to “keep the wolverines off his land.” The farmer eventually admits that despite the terrible problem of becoming “overrun by wolverines,” he’s actually never seen one – which convinces him of the effectiveness of radishes as an anti-wolverine agent.

    It seems that the US State Department has quietly accepted the idea that wolverines are not nearly as dangerous as once thought, the radish industry will surely take credit for saving farmers… Whether you believe that HIV and wolverines represent existential threats to humanity, the audio and the farmer’s logic are entertaining… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USLeka5BldQ

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