“Vaxxed” Foes in NYT, Forbes and More, Grossly Distorted The Story Of Ticket Sales

By Stephen Ericson and Celia Farber

 

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There is already a Wikipedia page set up attacking the film Vaxxed:  From Coverup To Catastrophe, from all angles– citing lies and distortions, from the usual cast of illegitimate hostile bloggers.

It states, for example, under “Premiere” that the film was attended, as the first review, in the New York Times, stated, by “several dozen people.”

The review (more like a premeditated attack) by Melena Ryzik, sniffed that Vaxxed, “…premiered to an audience of a few dozen, days after it was dropped by the Tribeca Film Festival.”

This should–we feel– have been anticipated by the PR agents for Vaxxed: Most people work. The film opened on a Friday. How many people can leave work and attend a film during the day?

A fair and honest reporter would have waited to see how many people attended the real “premiere” which was at 8 pm, April 1st, and which was followed by a Q&A with the film’s creators and lede characters. That viewing was packed to the last seat. As were the majority of the screenings throughout the weekend. When the film makers came out after the screening, (see video below) they were met with a standing ovations.

But propagandists never let facts get in the way of a good beating. A trope took hold, in all the hostile captured media reviews for Vaxxed, insisting that the film has been “sparsely attended.”

Emily Willingham, blogging for Forbes, is to vaccine damage what Walter Duranty was to the Holomodor: A shameless apologist. Unable to contain herself, she titled her gleeful hit piece: “Andrew Wakefield’s Film Fizzles.” To prove this, she drew upon fellow bullies who in turn, drew upon Ryzik and the mid day screening April 1st.

Willingham trumpeted: “As the New York Times reported, “several dozen people” turned up for the premiere in Manhattan. Rebecca Robbins from Stat tweeted from the premiere: “Not a huge crowd here.’”

Now let’s look at some hard facts:

Boxofficemojo.com said that the movie did $22,000 in 3 the three days of its opening weekend.

The tickets ran $14 each so let’s do some basic math.

$22,000/$14= 1,571 people who saw the movie. The theater holds 236 people. 1,571 / 236 = 6.7 sold out shows in total.

By late evening Monday, April 4 an article appeared, that did not fit at all with the fantasies of Ryzik, Willingham, et al. It turns out Vaxxed was even more successful than our search earlier today at BoxofficeMojo revealed:

 

“Controversial Vaxxed Doc Grosses $28 k in US Debut.”

 

http://www.screendaily.com/news/distribution/controversial-vaxxed-doc-grosses-28k-in-us-debut/5102244.article

 

The film grossed $28,399 its first 3 days.

Let’s compare that to an opening weekend for some other controversial documentary: Fahrenheit 9/11.
Fahrenheit 9/11 reaped $23,920,637 its first weekend but it opened in 868 theaters, which brings us to an average of $27,558 per theater.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fahrenheit911.htm
But that film that had infinitely more PR, hype and television advertising. Many people “disagreed strongly” with its message, but the world did not come to a halt.  Citizens United tried–unsuccessfully– to get the ad blocked, on grounds it counted as a political ad during a campaign season.

As for Willingham’s general diagnosis of a”fizzle”–wrong again.  It was reported today in Variety that distributor Cinema Libre has had many requests for its popular but officially unpopular film:

Variety reported:

“In two weeks, the controversial documentary will open at the Laemmle in Santa Monica, and possibly one or two other Los Angeles locations. Distributor Cinema Libre Studio hopes to expand the film’s national footprint in the coming months, eventually screening “Vaxxed” in between 250 and 300 theaters before it debuts on home entertainment platforms in July….”

 

“…The film will also be shown at the Houston Film Festival and the Manhattan Film Festival, and there are discussions to include the picture in other festival lineups, Diaz said.”

Now, let’s see if we can get any of the liars to admit the reality of box office numbers, and festival screening requests, and retro-fit their attack-articles to resemble reality outside their heated emotions.

Please tweet them, and if you manage to get anything corrected, we’d be most interested–and even more surprised.

 

 

 

— Stephen Ericson & Celia Farber

 

 

Video by Celia Farber, April 1, 2016, Angelika Film Center

 

 

 

Comments

  1. Pharma facts says:

    American Journal of Public Health-
    “At the beginning of the 1960s, it was clear that a vaccine against measles would soon be available. Although measles was (and remains) a killer disease in the developing world, in the United States and Western Europe this was no longer so. Many parents and many medical practitioners considered measles an inevitable stage of a child’s development. Debating the desirability of measles immunization, public health experts reasoned differently”.
    http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2012.301075?journalCode=ajph

  2. Pro vaccine says:

    Wow I was reading the comments but 16 of the posts are from the same guy (Rich). Why is he blanketing this issue?

  3. Luke says:

    Rich are you setiously comparing measles in African countries to measles in western children? African children are living in the 3rd world, malnourished and frankly not far from death without measles. Measels DOES NOT kill a statistically significant percentage of healthy children in the 1st world who contract it. In the 50s before the vaccine was introduced if a child in America cobtracted Measels the whole extended family would bring their kids around to catch it and get it out of the way. True story. Stop fear mongering you troll.

    • rtp says:

      Luke, you are right about measles in the first world but in actual fact, measles deaths in Africa that Rich refers to are also completely made up.

      There is no reliable cause of death data in sub-Saharan Africa so the WHO just made up figures to suit itself (or more particularly its vaccine programs).

      http://vaccinationdilemma.com/chapters/Chapter2.pdf

      • Rich says:

        When faced with data that proves your theory wrong and/or causes issues to your opinions:
        “They made it up.”

        “Childhood measles remains a leading cause of blindness in developing countries. In places like Haiti, Bangladesh and sub-Saharan Africa, the measles vaccine led to an overall mortality reduction of between 30 and 86 percent from 1970 onward, according to a paper published in The Journal of Infectious Diseases by Drs. Robert Perry and Neal Halsey.”

        But I guess they made it up also?

        Has anyone who disagrees with you in any study ever not made it up? Ever? If you can give me one case where a study that proves your opinion wrong or faulty did not make it up then I will give up and say you won this argument.

        If you can’t, I. Just. Won. 🙂

        • Rich says:

          The last major measles outbreak in the US was from 1989-1991. There were over 55,000 cases of measles.
          250 died.
          90% of those who died were unvaccinated.
          100% of the 37 babies under 1 year old who died were not vaccinated (too young).
          91% of 65 1-4 year olds who died were not vaccinated.
          The mortality rate was 1 in 220 measles cases.
          About 80% of the deaths were due to pneumonia, and the majority of the rest from encephalitis (brain inflammation).
          11,000 were sent to the hospital, 3,500 developed pneumonia.
          This was in 1989-1991 – you cannot blame sanitation, nutrition, or poor medical conditions and technology.

          But you still might. Or better yet, you’ll say those numbers are “made up.”

          • rtp says:

            “The last major measles outbreak in the US was from 1989-1991. There were over 55,000 cases of measles.”

            No. There were 55,000 *notifications* of measles. There would have been vastly more but lots of people with measles symptoms (rash/fever) don’t bother seeing a doctor. And even if they do the doctor couldn’t be stuffed reporting it (assuming they even suspect measles).

            Notification data is not incidence data. People who are incredibly stupid and know nothing about statistics make a big deal of notification data thinking they are oh so clever but in fact every single last one of them is an imbecile. Not because they don’t know the difference but because they draw concrete conclusions and demand others do the same despite not knowing the difference.

            We do not have incidence data for diseases that are typically mild and transient. Never have. Probably never will.

            “250 died.”

            You have no idea if they died due to the measles virus. What you have (if that) is a temporal association. The same temporal associations you reject with extreme prejudice when it comes to vaccine injuries.

            “90% of those who died were unvaccinated.”

            Self-fulfilling prophecy.

            “100% of the 37 babies under 1 year old who died were not vaccinated (too young).”

            SFP.

            “91% of 65 1-4 year olds who died were not vaccinated.”

            SFP

            “The mortality rate was 1 in 220 measles cases.”

            No it wasn’t. The number of people in the US with a rash and fever was vastly more than the 55,000 notifications. It would have been in the millions most likely. But, as I say, notification data only captures a tiny subset of total cases. Because this denominator is woefully incomplete it cannot be used to evaluate the dangers of the disease. It will *always* vastly overestimate it. And that doesn’t even take into account my point above how not all temporal associations are causal (at least, you guys claim they aren’t when it suits you).

            “About 80% of the deaths were due to pneumonia, and the majority of the rest from encephalitis (brain inflammation).”

            In which case with the extraordinary success of the measles vaccine then *total* rates of pneumonia and encephalitis must have plummeted right?

            Well I hate to be the one to break this to you but they haven’t.

            “11,000 were sent to the hospital, 3,500 developed pneumonia.”

            Does that mean that hospitals cause pneumonia?

            “This was in 1989-1991 – you cannot blame sanitation, nutrition, or poor medical conditions and technology.”

            I don’t.

            “But you still might. Or better yet, you’ll say those numbers are “made up.””

            No. The notification data is woefully incomplete which gives a ridiculous overestimate of the relative risk of the disease.

            Furthermore – and this is the big one – the entire paradigm is based on a self-fulfilling prophecy (SFP).

            You can see it all right here:

            “To minimize the problem of false positive laboratory results, it is important to restrict case investigation and laboratory tests to patients most likely to have measles (i.e., those who meet the clinical case definition, especially if they have risk factors for measles, such as being unvaccinated,[…]”

            http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt07-measles.html

            And here is the UK’s National Health Service: “Following assessment, if a diagnosis of measles is considered likely, it is essential to notify the local Health Protection Unit (HPU)” and subsequently: “Measles is very unlikely in people who have been fully immunized”, followed by “Consider a different cause if the patient is likely to have immunity” http://cks.nice.org.uk/measles#!diagnosissub

            I have already provided these below. The upshot is that doctors don’t diagnose measles in vaccinated patients because they are prejudiced against and are encouraged not to diagnose measles in vaccinated patients.

            But it is a dead set certainty that lots and lots of fully vaccinated patients had a rash and fever but the doctors simply refused to countenance the possibility of smallpox based on their genuine (but baseless) belief that the vaccine must have prevented measles.

            So what did doctors do instead?

            They diagnose it as roseola, fifth disease etc.

            And we know that overall the vaccine did no good because the complications you allude to (pneumonia, encephalitis (and blindness and deafness)) have not fallen since the vaccine. Doctors don’t blame measles of course, but they are just as common.

            The vaccine was worthless.

            Like all vaccines.

          • Anonymous says:

            But still you cite no references for this data

        • rtp says:

          “When faced with data that proves your theory wrong and/or causes issues to your opinions:
          “They made it up.””

          If the data comes from countries with no data then yes. They made it up.

          That is kind of how it works.

          Now, if you have evidence that measles deaths were counted before and again after these vaccine programs then you are welcome to provide it.

          I should note though that your argument runs contrary to the admission of the chief of statistics at the WHO – Kenji Shibuya. This is what he had to say about his colleagues.

          “The same applies to monitoring progress in major disease interventions. For example, the assessment of a recent change in measles mortality from vaccination is mostly based on statistics predicted from a set of covariates such as the number of live births, vaccine coverage, vaccine effectiveness and case-fatality ratios.4 It is understandable that estimating causes of death over time is a difficult task. However, that is no reason for us to avoid measuring it when we can also measure the quantity of interest directly;5 otherwise the global health community would continue to monitor progress on a spreadsheet with limited empirical basis. This is simply not acceptable.”

          By the way, “this is simply not acceptable” is bureaucratic speak for “my colleagues are disgusting liars”.

          “Has anyone who disagrees with you in any study ever not made it up?”

          No. Sometimes the figures have been counted (sort of) but they are just a self-fulfilling prophecy.

          That is the case for your following post.

          • rtp says:

            http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/85/6/07-042887/en/

            Sorry, I forgot to provide the direct link to Shibuya’s quote. Although it was in the previous spiel I wrote.

            You really should have read it before responding so you didn’t look like a complete fool. But don’t let me stop you.

            • Luke says:

              Lol shame rich you just got demolished. Rtp you are the man! 100% agree with you on all of this.

            • Sarah says:

              I completely disagree Luke. rtp makes us honest people who are just questioning vaccines look like crazy people. He didn’t demolish rich, he just proved rich’s point about anti-vaccine folk and how they’re all anti-government conspiracy theory nutjobs who are, in fact, anti-vaccine. I’m not one of those!

              Even Thompson, who actually never appears in the film, is quoted as saying that he believes in Vaccines and thinks everyone should get vaccinated. Wakefield himself says he believes in vaccines. He just wants to go to single shots like in Japan. He just wants the CDC to be held responsible for their mistakes and he wants parents to question the MMR vaccine and it’s potential to be linked to autism. Nobody is saying we want to bring back diseases that we know vaccines eradicated (well mr. rtp doesn’t know that but he doesn’t know a lot apparently.)

              I have six children and on my last I am holding off on vaccines until further studying is done. But until people who question vaccines are not lumped in with scary people like rtp but instead more like what Wakefield is talking about, we won’t ever get anywhere. Honestly I don’t agree with Rich on much, but his point about what rtp is doing to our cause is spot on. He is kind of an embarrassment to anyone who has studied vaccines.

            • rtp says:

              Thanks Sarah. I really don’t think anybody believes that you are remotely questioning of vaccines.

              The strategy of non-vaxxers has been a dismal failure. And that strategy has been “vaccines are super duper awesome but we just need to make them a tiny bit safer”. As though the same people who are responsible for injuring millions of children are going to turn around and admit what they have done and come together to work with us on this issue.

              Never going to happen.

              As long as people believe the nonsense about vaccines working they will always side with the people giving them the concoctions over those who question them.

            • Laura says:
            • Sarah says:

              I’m not going to debate you because your views are pretty scary…

              Having said that as much of a failure as the anti-vax strategy has been, certainly changing it from “do more research/produce safer & better tested vaccines & hold those accountable for lying to us” to “convince the free world that a vaccine has never saved a single life and never once worked and to completely eliminate the use of them universally worldwide” is completely and utterly insane. Which do you think stands a better chance of working in our lifetime? My husband is a mathematician and I’d probably put the chances of your strategy working at less then .1 percent. Ours at least would be in the 10-15% range and at least opens peoples eyes. The only thing you’re doing is turning people off or allowing those who question us to be labeled as crazy. You can believe whatever you want. But so can I. And I truly believe you’re crazy if you think vaccines are all poison and have never worked. And even crazier than that would be to think you could convince anyone else of this, let alone anyone with power. You can’t even convince someone who supports this movie that you’re not nuts!

            • Sarah says:

              And yes Laura I saw that on Facebook earlier. It is sad. But nobody is against the whooping cough vaccine. The film is about the mmr vaccine and us wanting to break it into 3 separate vaccines. They do this in Japan for safety and it has worked.

            • rtp says:

              The pertussis vaccine is useless.

              And in fact, even the idiot vaccine makers know perfectly well that it cannot prevent transmission. It is a toxoid vaccine and does not contain nor immunise against, the pertussis bacteria.

              It simply can’t do that – even assuming it worked as advertised. Of course it is useless. Up until around 10 years ago doctors were routinely differentially diagnosing vaccinated patients with croup, bronchiolitis or respiratory syncytial virus so it appeared as though the vaccine reduced pertussis.

              It did not. Hospitalisations due to severe respiratory infections were and are a dime a dozen.

              By the way, the story is completely made up. There is no evidence that she is or was an anti-vaxxer. She didn’t get a vaccine that most expecting mothers don’t get. That doesn’t make her an anti-vaxxer.

              If she were actually anti-vaccine she would probably understand that the vaccine is useless and she certainly would understand that it can’t prevent transmission of the bacteria.

            • Sarah says:

              Go away you troll. You’re not welcome here. Wouldn’t be surprised if rtp was actually working for the cdc to make us look bad. If so, success oh glorious success!

            • Celia Farber says:

              Now I am very confused about who is stating what. Please make cogent points and make your positions clear. My position is: YES to congressional hearings, YES to the “million pound shithammer” coming down on the CDC for FRAUD, and UNTIL SUCH TIME–whatever we all “believe” about vaccines is irrelevant. We know, do we not, what we “believe,” about fraud in science? Stop saying Thompson never appeared in the film you manipulators. You are fogging the windshield. Did Deepthroat ever “appear” in the Washington Post during the Watergate reportage?

              STUDY the basic history of expose journalism and stop saying stupid shit. I am an investigative reporter by training, and this film is a powerful and persuasive piece of investigative journalism full of what we call “smoking guns.” These do NOT need to include footage of whistleblower Thompson. Do you question whether that is indeed his voice?

              Pack it up. You lost. Be ashamed.

            • rtp says:

              Sarah.

              Look up Stockholm Syndrome.

            • Tristan Wells Mom says:

              Hey Tristan AKA “rtp” is Sarah right? Are you off your meds again? 🙂

            • Tristan Wells Mom says:

              Just so the sane ones here know be careful around rtp when he’s off his meds.
              He says some pretty nutty things.

              https://reasonablehank.com/2015/11/24/tristan-wells-of-the-avn-calls-for-the-execution-of-vaccine-workers/

            • Tristan Wells Mom says:

              From the statement from William Thompson:

              “I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits.”

              From the statement from rtp/AKA Tristan Wells:
              “Nobody *catches* anything. Disease cannot be spread from person to person – if it could doctors would have the lifespan of a fruitfly.”

              &

              “Everybody expects babies to receive a dose that they would be petrified of taking themselves. Vaccines are pure evil and all those involved in this disgusting criminal enterprise should be executed ”

            • Tristan Wells Mom says:

              My son is a very disturbed man. Part of it is my fault. I shouldn’t have left him alone when he was six with his Uncle Terry.

  4. Rich says:

    I think it’s funny that anti-vaccine people have spent so many years on the fringes and being attacked, degraded and proven wrong in study after study (after study) that they’re so desperate for some win…ANY WIN that right now they’re writing blogs about the box office of the single theater their little doc played in and trying to prove it was a success because of the theater average. What is the point of this blog? To prove that it wasn’t a failure? That it made money? Okay, you win. It made a little money. But will it do a SINGLE THING to change A SINGLE THING? Will it disprove the thousands of studies? Will it reverse the study that anti-vaccine people funded that proved no link between autism and vaccines? Will it disprove the recent 1.2 million children independent study (i.e. NOT funded by pharma) that didn’t show a SINGLE link? Will it change anything about the overwhelming majority who believe in science and facts in this country? Will it do anything to stop the trend to protecting our children but not letting unvaccinated go to public schools starting this fall in California (yay!)? No, it will not change a single thing. Not ONE. SINGLE. THING. The media won’t start to “fall in line.” People won’t suddenly “wake up.” Congress won’t do anything. NOBODY WILL DO ANYTHING. So in that respect it’s an UTTER AND ABSOLUTE FAILURE. But go ahead, enjoy the “win” of the box office success this blog is so desperate to attain because the anti-vaccine movement has so utterly lost in EVERY OTHER WAY so MANY, MANY times that just for the sake of your sanity we’ll give ya this one. Congrats. 🙂

    • Stephen Ericson says:

      “I think it’s funny that anti-vaccine people”

      Yeah, see what DeNiro had to say about it being anti vaccine. Or, watch it for yourself!

      What is the point of this blog?”

      What was the point of making the film seem sparsely attended?

      “But will it do a SINGLE THING to change A SINGLE THING? ”

      If it prevents one child from being damaged by MMR, I suppose this blog was worth it. But even if it didn’t, it was still interesting enough for us to talk about among ourselves, wasn’t it?

      “Will it disprove the thousands of studies? ”

      Are we talking about this blog post or the movie? The movie will suggest that yes those studies are wrong, that the MMR shot should be broken up into three separate shots. This blog will simply prove that there are those in the media, who receive funding through advertising, are out to lie and distort the impact that this little movie has already made.

      “. The media won’t start to “fall in line.” People won’t suddenly “wake up.” Congress won’t do anything. NOBODY WILL DO ANYTHING.”

      You know what I do when I get upset Rich? I go punch my pillow. Go do that for a little while, and take a deep breath. See how you feel after that.

      “MANY, MANY times that just for the sake of your sanity we’ll give ya this one. Congrats. :)”

      Well, the truth barrier wasn’t really looking for congratulations, we were simply exposing one of many lies. To that end, congratulations weren’t really yours to give either. But, thank you for your interest in the Truth Barrier. It’s appreciated.

      • Bobby ingram says:

        “SINGLE THING to change A SINGLE THING” Great line, I will use it as soon as possible, thanks.

      • Rich says:

        Next up will you please expose how Israel was responsible for 9/11, the government runs the chemtrails program, GMO’s are evil, the holocaust is real but overly exaggerated by Zionists, the moon landing was faked, the earth is flat and the New World Order controls all (including Bernie Sanders) and “one day” we will all be part of a police state. Oh, and Obama is going to take our guns. (Wait, that was said in 2004…damn he better get on that!)

        So you’re hoping the blog (or movie) saves one child from being damaged by a vaccine that has been proven to save lives. Okay, fair enough. But would you be okay with one child getting sick or dying from NOT taking the shot because of the blog or movie? It’s a simple question. And please don’t answer that it’s impossible to die from measles and that it’s just a harmless little “fun” disease. Because until you’ve spend three months volunteering in Africa with parents literally BEGGING for the vaccine after seeing hundreds of their own family and friends die from measles (In 2014, there were 114 900 measles deaths globally – about 314 deaths every day or 13 deaths every hour) you really can’t legitimately answer that way. Until you’ve seen a vaccine you helped give to those families literally SAVE hundreds of people you just don’t understand. But again I ask, assuming you are wrong and it actually can save a life, would you be okay if this blog or movie led to someone not taking the vaccine and getting sick or dying? How many would be enough for you?

        I understand what the movie “suggests” and you are correct to use that word and not “proves.” On the right side of history we are allowed to use that word….because well it’s happened. Any movie or any blog or any youtube video can suggest anything without provable evidence. That’s the beauty (and some would argue tragedy) of free speech. Just go on youtube and type in “flat earth” if you want to see what I mean. The film does a great job as one-sided propaganda without showing the true backstory of the man speaking through most of it. To this, I credit it.

        I’m not upset I actually feel sorry for you. Writing a little blog to try and prove your little film did a good job. It’s all you have left since you can’t argue with facts and actual studies. I mean is this what your life has come down to? Fighting for a “cause” that actually may harm children and at the same time a cause that can never be won? Maybe you should go punch that pillow instead of wasting your time on this blog?

        I personally know some of the media you are personally attacking as lying. They are not working for the government or advertisers. That’s a shameless personal attack because you need to justify why they are “lying”. It’s the true mark of a conspiracy theorist to attack anyone who disagrees with them as being a shill for some government or higher power. So am I a shill too? Who is paying me? Where can I go to collect?

        The term SMH was created because of people like you. So…

        SMH. 🙂

        • Stephen Ericson says:

          “That’s a shameless personal attack because you need to justify why they are “lying”. ”

          Lol, says the guy who starts off his attack by lumping me in with other conspiracy theorists. Talk about hack moves.

          ” Okay, fair enough. But would you be okay with one child getting sick or dying from NOT taking the shot because of the blog or movie? ”

          If that happens, it happens because the parents were free to make that choice. Yeah, I stand by that and I stand against the state mandating that we’re forced to use whatever product it says we have to inject into our bodies. That’s where I draw the line. I’ve thought about it, and I’ve come to that conclusion. I also stand by that in regards to what it may do to children that aren’t your own. I’d rather live in a world where a person is free to opt out of taking a recommended medicine than otherwise. I also find it to be utterly unreasonable for a company like Merck to not offer a choice in the product that they offer. Why not break it up into three separate shots? I don’t find any of their answers to be sufficient, and I don’t think I’m being unreasonable, but you’re free to think I am.

          “Because until you’ve spend three months volunteering in Africa ”

          Yes, and if I were to offer the same hack argument from emotion, I’d say “until you’ve seen a child who was once normal…”

          “How many would be enough for you?”

          I guess you could say I’m ‘pro choice’ in the matter.

          “Any movie or any blog or any youtube video can suggest anything without provable evidence. ”

          And any intelligent person can make up their minds by watching the evidence presented.

          “That’s the beauty (and some would argue tragedy) of free speech.”

          Only a fascist would consider it a tragedy. For every ‘Flat Earth’ there a’ Gulf of Tonkin’ I suppose.

          “The film does a great job as one-sided propaganda without showing the true backstory of the man speaking through most of it. To this, I credit it.”

          The makers, Andrew himself addressed that with aplomb at the Q&A after the movie. It’s probably on Youtube.

          “I’m not upset I actually feel sorry for you. ”

          When one types in all caps and uses excessive punctuation, it makes them look upset. Don’t feel sorry for me. I feel fine. The people who you should perhaps consider feeling not so much sorry for but a degree of empathy or sympathy for are those who’ve already been awarded settlements for having had their children’s lives ruined by vaccines. That would be a better expenditure of your emotion.

          “It’s all you have left since you can’t argue with facts and actual studies.”

          Sigh, I don’t need to. I’m not arguing the facts the the film presents, that would be redundant. I’m merely pointing out how the media, and people like yourself are reacting to the film. In many instances they’re telling lies. For example, the ones that I pointed out in the above article, that you’ve already conceded to.

          “I personally know some of the media you are personally attacking as lying”

          Are they they ones who floated the myth that the movie didn’t do well? If so they’re hacks. Sorry.

          “It’s the true mark of a conspiracy theorist to attack anyone who disagrees with them as being a shill for some government or higher power. So am I a shill too? Who is paying me? Where can I go to collect?”

          The reason that I decided to make an issue of it is due to the way that they go about presenting their case. I assume that there’s a monetary incentive else they’d be at least a little more objective. A number of the reviews in question fail to mention such basic facts about the movie, like for example the name Dr. William Thompson. If you’re not going to talk about him and his role in the movie, why bother ‘reviewing’ it at all? It seems to me that they’re not interested in ‘facts’ and are trying their best to rail road the movie. If they’re willing to put their name under such a flawed headline, they deserve to be called out.

          Are you a shill? Well, you’ve already admitted to having worked with vaccines in Africa, so you’re not exactly impartial.

          I’m not shaking my head at you, I think you’re within your right to disagree. You do seem to be upset, but you’ve calmed considerably. I’m guessing you took my advice and took some deep breaths, good for you!

          Instead of debating me though, you should instead try debating Dr. Wakefield. I’m sure he’d have adequate answers for just about all of your questions.

          And again, thanks for your continued interest in the Truth barrier. We’re going to have a merch section soon so be sure to check that out!

          • Rich says:

            I’m a wedding videographer btw, so not sure how that connects me to big pharma. The fact that I volunteered in Africa doesn’t change that.

            I’ve always said there are three kinds of anti-vaxxers. You just need to figure out which one you are.

            #1 Conspiracy nuts and those who hate the government – For them the government or anything run by the government will always be part of the conspiracy to control the free world.

            #2 Those with a personal experience. This includes those who have actually had injuries from vaccines in their children (yes it happens. Also women die from c-sections, natural birth and root canals) or those who have been led to believe their child’s injury is from a vaccine with no proof. Remember to receive a settlement from the Vaccine court you don’t have to prove the injury was a result of a vaccine, only that it was within the same time frame. This is a good reason why symptoms of autism arise around the time vaccines are recommended whether or NOT the child gets a vaccine (yes, the rates of autism among non-vaccinated are no different than those who are vaccinated…explain that one!)

            These people are angry, frustrated and want someone to blame. To be fair, I don’t blame them. But unfortunately #1 and #3 can the easily take advantage of their grief and anger and use them to profit or for their agenda. This is the saddest of the three groups and one I actually feel sorry for.

            #3 Those who are using the issue to gain exposure or profit. This includes many who literally make a living on youtube with videos or blogs. This includes the natural food/wellness industry which is a BILLION DOLLAR industry that profits off the fears that anti-medicine/anti-science people provoke. You can judge for yourself where Andrew Wakefield fits among these three groups. Some of the leading “natural” news sites have multiple sponsors or online stores that make a lot of money. You mentioned a merch section. Not sure if you were kidding or not but either way you can judge which of the three groups you fit in.

            • Stephen Ericson says:

              “I’m a wedding videographer btw,”

              Oh, I could have sworn by the way that you tossed your weight around that you were a Dr. But…you video tape weddings. Good for you.

              “I’ve always said there are three kinds of anti-vaxxers.”

              Yes, but there’s only one type of person who lumps whoever they’re arguing with into a subset of stereotypes, and that would be a hack.

              “This includes those who have actually had injuries from vaccines in their children (yes it happens. ”

              …yes. Yes it does, doesn’t it.

              “You can judge for yourself where Andrew Wakefield fits among these three groups.”

              Yeah, I’m sure he’s just raking in the bucks, you know, rather than practicing medicine.

              Frankly now that i know you’re not a Dr. and are only someone who took a vacation in Africa on the dime of some Pharmaceutical company, or whatever you did or didn’t do, it’s not that compelling to argue with you anymore.

            • Rich says:

              Lol. When you realize you can’t argue with me anymore without resorting to talking points you revert back to your 4th grade self and basically say “I’m done with you! You so stupid!”

              Wouldn’t have expected anything less for someone who spends their live shilling for the “health” industry while promoting hurting children.

              People get injured or die from almost every single medication or procedure in the world. Why are you not railing against root canals where people have died? C-sections? Natural births? Aspirin? All of these have led to injuries and deaths. Nothing is 100% and you are apparently someone who refuses to accept thats acceptable. Obviously doctors would love every medication or procedure to be 100% but they’re not god. You know, like you. (Playing god with children makes you a god of sorts.)

              My wife is a doctor and she’s seen horrible things from those who didn’t believe in medicine and science…and vaccines. She doesn’t come home crying some days for no reason.

              Calling someone a hack is a great defense mechanism but it doesn’t change the 3 types of anti-vaxxers from being true. You obviously didn’t read #3 properly. While Wakefield was once chasing bucks (when he was trying to sell his own competing vaccine) he’s now chasing fame. I don’t think he cares about money anymore. Just getting his name out and fame-whoring. Even most anti-vaccine people I know are turned off by him and wish they had a more legitimate spokesman. He makes Donald Trump look respectable.

              I never traveled to Africa on the dime of a pharmaceutical company but on a religious volunteer mission. Disgusting you would resort to making fun not only of my profession but also of a volunteer mission to save lives in a war-torn poverty filled area you would NEVER step foot in. And not just because you’d be afraid with no vaccines. Because you simply would never go there because it’s not part of your privileged bubble.

              You’re lucky to live in a free society that allows you to deny medicine and science and test your theories on your innocent children.

            • Stephen Ericson says:

              You have yet to make one good point. You clearly haven’t yet seen the movie, and you continue to repeat lies about Dr. Wakefield. So, I apologize for being dismissive, but you don’t provide me much to not be dismissive about.

              “Why are you not railing against root canals where people have died? C-sections? Natural births? Aspirin? All of these have led to injuries and deaths.”

              Because when a woman dies of a C section, the Dr. usually doesn’t blame it on genetics. I think it’s kind of a …I’m sorry, but it’s a stupid point.

              “Nothing is 100% and you are apparently someone who refuses to accept thats acceptable.”

              You’re arguing against your own points now.

              “Will it reverse the study that anti-vaccine people funded that proved no link between autism and vaccines?”

              You start with the canard that there is zero connection between autism and MMR, and now you’re faulting me for saying that I think that all medicine should be 100% safe?

              I never said that anything should be 100% anything. That’s the state of California’s contention, that 100% of the children have to be vaccinated, freedom be dammed. I think that if a company makes a product that harms someone, they should be forced to compensate the victim of their malfeasance. The vaccine companies don’t see it that way, they think that the tax payer should be on the line. Hence the so called vaccine court.

              If you can’t keep a basic argument going, then don’t expect anyone to respect what you’re saying. That said, you should also see the movie before you comment on it any further. Clearly you have yet to see it.

            • Rich says:

              You are not a smart man but when it comes to manipulating and playing “mind games” to make it appear you are, you’re a genius!

              You argument against other forms of modern medicine that have risks is “that’s a stupid point!” or “they don’t blame it on something else!”

              What about diseases that are 100% proven to be genetic? Who gets the blame then? Your parents?

              I think your problem (and the problem with those few who agree with you) is that you always HAVE TO BLAME SOMEONE. Someone has to pay when things go wrong! And who better to blame but the government (see my #1 grouping of anti-vaxxers…btw, it appears you may fall into at least 2 of the groupings, congrats! And if you had a vaccine injured child you’d have the trifecta.)

              California isn’t saying you HAVE to vaccinate your child but it is saying if your child is going to be using the schools that are FREE and for the PUBLIC that to avoid shutdowns like LAST WEEK IN CALIFORNIA when there was a measles outbreak from an unvaccinated child, you must be to take advantage of the free schooling. If not, you’re welcome to home school. Because there are some children who aren’t able to medically get vaccinated. Why should they be forced to go to a school where they are at risk because some parent knows better then a doctor or scientist and watched a youtube video? Madness to think we should live in a world where parents get to decide how our children are left vulnerable to disease in a public school. But thank god that is changing and soon none will be allowed! ::)

              As for the movie it shows a lot of examples of supposed vaccine injuries but only ONE if from an African American (who received a double dose by accident.) Even if the “whistleblower” study is actually true (And it isn’t) it only showed a greater risk of autism in African American MALES and no greater risk in any other group. If so, why not focus on that group in the movie? Also why is the autism rate among African American males not any greater than any other group?

              Also, why is the autism rate in unvaccinated not less than the rate in vaccinated?

              Lots of questions. And of course you always have an answer for everything. It’s never the right answer. Never the correct answer. Never an answer supported by evidence based medicine and science. But damn, you are an expert at looking like an expert. You should be a lawyer. Only problem is the whole morals thing. Even lawyers have some and I doubt any would experiment on their children like you are doing with yours.

              Mic.

              Drop.

              Your

            • rtp says:

              “Also, why is the autism rate in unvaccinated not less than the rate in vaccinated?”

              You do realise that has never been measured don’t you?

              And by the way, there is no valid evidence that the measles vaccine actually works *at all*.

              The entire paradigm is a complete lie. And this is the proof all laid out in a quote by your friends at the CDC:

              “To minimize the problem of false positive laboratory results, it is important to restrict case investigation and laboratory tests to patients most likely to have measles (i.e., those who meet the clinical case definition, especially if they have risk factors for measles, such as being unvaccinated,[…]”

              http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt07-measles.html

              And here is the UK’s National Health Service: “Following assessment, if a diagnosis of measles is considered likely, it is essential to notify the local Health Protection Unit (HPU)” and subsequently: “Measles is very unlikely in people who have been fully immunized”, followed by “Consider a different cause if the patient is likely to have immunity” http://cks.nice.org.uk/measles#!diagnosissub

              Now I am sure you won’t understand what the above means so I will spell it out.

              The *entire* so-called success of vaccines is quite literally all a self-fulfilling prophecy.

              They don’t work at all, however, doctors are massively prejudiced against making these diagnoses *because* they (spuriously) believe that they actually do work.

              From their perspective this makes sense – after all, if the vaccine did in fact work then it would make sense not to diagnose measles if the patient was vaccinated no matter what their symptoms were – but of course you can’t use these diagnoses to retrospectively prove that the vaccine reduced disease – you are just getting a circularity.

              So we can safely say there is precisely *zero* valid evidence for vaccines (not just measles but all of them). The next part is to check whether they might have worked regardless.

              So what you need to do is look at each vaccine vs something that we can and have reliably measured that is not subject to this “diagnostic bias”.

              So let’s do that shall we?

            • rtp says:

              So what has happened to all these so-called vaccine preventable diseases if their complications are still just as, if not more, common but we no longer hear about them?

              They have all been renamed – differentially diagnosed.

              Measles has been renamed roseola, fifth disease, etc;

              Polio has been renamed Guillain Barre, transverse myelitis, coxsackie, MS, cerebral palsy, viral meningitis (we actually use more respirators today than we ever did iron lungs by the way it is just that iron lungs were too expensive and dangerous to keep using);

              Diphtheria/pertussis were renamed respiratory syncytial virus, croup, strep, pharyngitis , tonsillitis etc;

              Hepatitis just runs its way through the alpabet;

              Meningitis/pneumonia/sepsis blamed on Hib was renamed meningitis/pneumonia/sepsis blamed on some other bacteria;

              Smallpox was renamed monkey pox/severe chicken pox.

            • Stephen Ericson says:

              “I think your problem (and the problem with those few who agree with you) is that you always HAVE TO BLAME SOMEONE. ”

              You’re not even reading my posts. Lol.

              yo crazy!

            • rtp says:

              By the way, every single last one of your studies that “show no connection” are every bit as worthless as the WHO’s measles deaths estimates.

              You see, it is a staple of sampling analysis that *you cannot accept the null hypothesis*. Anybody who does has made a huge error.

              But that is what all of your precious studies have done. You simply cannot use sampling data to prove that two variables are not correlated.

              I could use the same fraudulent methodology to prove that sex doesn’t result in children or that nobody had ever died in a car crash.

              It all has to do with how you choose your control. For example in the former I could regress childbirth rates of prostitutes vs those of nuns and get similar results – providing the conclusion that sex doesn’t result in children.

              Or in the former I could compare 40 year olds who drive a lot to 20 year old BASE jumpers without a licence and see that death rates for the former were much lower.

              Comparing groups of kids – one group who receive lots and lots of vaccines, vs another group who also receive lots and lots of vaccines (but slightly less or of a slightly different kind) proves absolutely nothing whatsoever about the safety of the vaccination program.

              There isn’t a single consumer product that is able to be tested for safety the same way that vaccines are allowed to be tested. Imagine saying a car was safe because you compared crashing the whole car vs crashing the car minus a side mirror and found that the results were the same!

              But with vaccines this absurd methodology is accepted as definitive proof by the likes of you.

              And when you are asked to defend it you just say “well maybe each one of the studies aren’t that great but when you add up the thousands of them together they make one hell of an argument”. The same ridiculous claim could be made of astrology or any other belief that has lots of people that adhere to it.

            • rtp says:

              Rich, I hate to be the one to break this to you but there is in fact no evidence that vaccine programs have saved million – or any – lives in developing countries.

              And by evidence I mean numbers that aren’t completely made up.

              You see, there is no reliable cause of death data in those countries where huge numbers of measles deaths are supposedly occurring.

              http://vaccinationdilemma.com/chapters/Chapter2.pdf

              Gives a more complete explanation – but essentially the WHO never counted measles deaths before or after the measles vaccine program. They just assumed millions of people were dying before and they just assumed that most of those who got the millions of vaccines given out were immunised and therefore couldn’t have died of measles afterwards.

              We do have reasonably valid childhood and infant mortality data for the developing world and this clearly shows that there has been no obvious improvement in the trend following the vaccine programs.

              The results are in and the entire vaccine programs in the developing world have been a colossal waste of money – not to mention the many children who would have been injured by them.

            • Rich says:

              RTP you’re so down the conspiracy rabbit hole I’m afraid there’s literally no response in the world that will get you to change the lies you’ve been suckered into believing.

              An answer for everything. When a vaccine has been proven to eliminate a disease…it didn’t because the disease changed names.

              When a vaccine lowers the death rates in third world countries…it didn’t…because…ummm….they lied? They’re wrong?

              When a disease helps kill hundreds of thousands of people in a 3rd world country, it didn’t? Because….it wasn’t the disease at all but the conditions? But when the vaccine is introduced the reason the death rates fell is because of those conditions? Or because of faulty research data? Lies?

              The fallback is always “They Lied!” Never I’ve been suckered.

              Sometimes not everyone is against you. Sometimes people don’t lie. Sometimes lives are saved by vaccines. Sometimes you’re wrong.

              Sometimes having an answer for everything proves you don’t have any answers at all.

              But keep on being a shill for a multi-billion dollar industry that relies on people like you to convince others to spend their money for “health” products.

              Go on disrespecting and degrading the autistic community, a majority of which despise anti-vaxxers and how they consider them “vaccine injured” and “victims” and sometimes even “worse than death.” I can’t tell you how many autistic people I know are so hurt by people like you who instead of funding studies that could help them and help our understanding of autism want to do YET ANOTHER STUDY to prove autism doesn’t come from vaccines.

              Again, why are the rates of autism the same in unvaccinated as vaccinated? Why are the african-american children rates the same as other groups?

              Feel free to ignore/skip or lie about those questions as you please. 🙂

              It’s hilarious to think that you want people to completely ignore thousands of studies and thousands of experts, doctors and scientists and instead listen to….who you? You’re the only one with the real answer and everyone else is lying?

              I can guarantee you this…if WHO came out tomorrow and said vaccines did NOT save lives you would support their findings. If the CDC came out and said vaccines cause autism you would fully support their findings.

              You actually decide whether to support a group, person or study based on the RESULTS and not who they are. That proves you have zero percent merit in this argument…in this world. And in this life.

              Here’s one guarantee you can’t disagree with. You won’t ever stop spouting these views, you won’t ever listen to the other side or acknowledge any single flaw in your supposed logic. You certainly won’t change your views even if a thousand more studies follow that prove you wrong. Even if you funded a double blind study yourself and it found no link between autism and vaccines you would have an answer as to why the study was flawed.

              You don’t actually have issues with vaccines and science denial as much as you have mental issues with having conclusions before you see evidence. Sort of like Wakefield? 🙂

              MIC.

              DROP.

              X2.

              And that is the final mic drop sheepies and shills. Go back to your mind control world where everyone is against you, nobody is telling the truth (but yourself) and your kids health is being experimented on by yourself because…you just know better. 🙂

            • rtp says:

              “RTP you’re so down the conspiracy rabbit hole I’m afraid there’s literally no response in the world that will get you to change the lies you’ve been suckered into believing.”

              You always know pro-vaxxers have no argument when they pull out the ol’ conspiracy theorist gambit.

              There is nothing conspiratorial about saying people with the same vested interest act to protect that vested interest.

              It is just common sense. Just as you wouldn’t take a survey of accused felons to see if they are all innocent you can’t ask people who manufacture or provide vaccines to provide an objective assessment of their safety and efficacy.

              And by the way, everybody believes in terrorism, organised crime, gangs, hostile foreign armies etc.

              Those things are all conspiracies. So you are a conspiracy theorist too.

              “An answer for everything. When a vaccine has been proven to eliminate a disease…it didn’t because the disease changed names.”

              Yep. That is what has happened. I even proved it by looking at potentially corroborating data (proved in a statistical sense – I can give proof in an absolute sense too but most people are obsessed with statistics (even though they don’t understand them)).

              “When a vaccine lowers the death rates in third world countries…it didn’t…because…ummm….they lied? They’re wrong?”

              Again, we have data for this and it clearly shows that vaccines cannot be credited with improvements in death rates. That happened before and it did not accelerate after the vaccine programs.

              “When a disease helps kill hundreds of thousands of people in a 3rd world country, it didn’t? Because….it wasn’t the disease at all but the conditions? But when the vaccine is introduced the reason the death rates fell is because of those conditions? Or because of faulty research data? Lies?”

              I don’t know what you are talking about. Conditions have been improving in those countries so total mortality rates have been improving. That occurred before the various vaccine programs and continued afterward (but not at a faster rate).

              We have no idea how many people died due to those specific diseases because that data simply doesn’t exist. Same goes for claims about 500 million people dying from smallpox before it was wiped out. That data is made up. It has to be you see because it was never counted.

              “The fallback is always “They Lied!” Never I’ve been suckered.”

              You claim that all those who question vaccines are lying or simply deluding themselves. I say all those people who support vaccines are doing the same.

              The difference is that I have shown that the measles death figures *must* be lies (or delusions).

              “Sometimes not everyone is against you. Sometimes people don’t lie. Sometimes lives are saved by vaccines. Sometimes you’re wrong.”

              Is this supposed to be an argument? Sometimes the majority is correct. True. Sometimes it is not. Doctors bled patients for thousands of years. You can rest assured that those who questioned the practice were confronted with a torrent of abuse and claims that they were conspiracy theorists and lots of people would say things like “look at that massive pile of data – the proof of bloodletting is all in there somewhere”. And so on.

              “Sometimes having an answer for everything proves you don’t have any answers at all.”

              And sometimes comments like that one just reinforce the intellectual poverty of your beliefs.

              And when I say sometimes, I mean 100 per cent of the time.

              “But keep on being a shill for a multi-billion dollar industry that relies on people like you to convince others to spend their money for “health” products.”

              Oh God. Let me help you out on this. It is perfectly plausible to believe in both vaccinations *and* alternative medicine. In fact, the majority of people who believe in the latter believe in the former. The correlation would be less than for those who don’t believe in alternative medicine but it would still be well above 50 per cent.

              In short, you may as well compare anti-vaccine views to the size of the gold mining industry for all the relevance it has.

              Obviously you are desperate. I don’t blame you. What I have provided is absolutely flawless and irrefutable.

              If I were a vaccine fascist such as yourself I would read it and never sleep a full night’s sleep again. Of course, I have honour and you don’t. So you will find one ridiculous rationalisation after another.

              “Go on disrespecting and degrading the autistic community, a majority of which despise anti-vaxxers and how they consider them “vaccine injured” and “victims” and sometimes even “worse than death.” I can’t tell you how many autistic people I know are so hurt by people like you who instead of funding studies that could help them and help our understanding of autism want to do YET ANOTHER STUDY to prove autism doesn’t come from vaccines.”

              Oh God. Pathetic. You are just laying all the standard nonsense out now aren’t you?

              Because you have been utterly destroyed by me.

              By the way, following that logic and the fact that you believe that these vaccines prevent diseases then you must hate crippled children (hence your love of the polio vaccine) or deaf children (measles vaccine), or people born with congenital defects (rubella vaccine). Of course, the vaccines didn’t actually reduce the rate of any of these things anyway, but given that you believe they have then by your own logic your love of vaccines proves that you are an evil bigot who hates the disabled.

              “Again, why are the rates of autism the same in unvaccinated as vaccinated? Why are the african-american children rates the same as other groups?”

              Loaded question. Try again.

              “Feel free to ignore/skip or lie about those questions as you please. :)”

              Coming from the guy who says that if I answer everything it proves that I have no answers.

              I can’t make you up.

              “It’s hilarious to think that you want people to completely ignore thousands of studies and thousands of experts, doctors and scientists and instead listen to….who you? You’re the only one with the real answer and everyone else is lying?”

              It’s hilarious to think you want people to just ignore the thousand of studies and thousands of expert astrologers who all say that astrology is valid. You’re the only one with the real answer to whether our fates lie in our stars and everyone else is lying?

              “I can guarantee you this…if WHO came out tomorrow and said vaccines did NOT save lives you would support their findings. If the CDC came out and said vaccines cause autism you would fully support their findings.”

              Scratching my head here. What exactly is your point? If somebody else comes out and agrees with me then my position would of course stay the same because the evidence hasn’t changed one way or another. I would appreciate their support of course but it wouldn’t make me any more or less firm in my views.

              “You actually decide whether to support a group, person or study based on the RESULTS and not who they are. That proves you have zero percent merit in this argument…in this world. And in this life.”

              Is this a joke? A self-parody? I mean, your second part is completely true. I don’t care who they are. That is the difference between me and you. You think that it is “results” vs “opinions”. But you forgot the most critical parts of all – evidence and logic. They are the two I follow. But this never occurred to you because both are anathema to you. You think that all of science is about which guy has the most credentials.

              “Here’s one guarantee you can’t disagree with. You won’t ever stop spouting these views, you won’t ever listen to the other side or acknowledge any single flaw in your supposed logic. You certainly won’t change your views even if a thousand more studies follow that prove you wrong. Even if you funded a double blind study yourself and it found no link between autism and vaccines you would have an answer as to why the study was flawed.”

              Like I said, not finding a link is meaningless in sampling data. You don’t understand this because you have no idea about statistics.

              I honestly can’t believe you responded with this whining diatribe. Did you really think it would help your cause?

              Surely you could work out that I was only going to destroy you further?

              “You don’t actually have issues with vaccines and science denial as much as you have mental issues with having conclusions before you see evidence. Sort of like Wakefield? :)”

              But I thought you said the one and only thing that mattered was opinions?

      • Neb Radojkovic says:

        Smart people will recognise the value of this film. Some lives might be saved as a result. That is all we can hope for when trying to uncover some of the lies we are bombarded with for decades…Thank you.

        • Rich says:

          And some will get sick or die because of it. You can ignore this possibility, you can refuse to accept this possibility or you can not care about this possibility. But it exists. So you’re either in denial or a monster. Because no matter how strongly you believe something, unless you have 100% proof that the vaccine can not ever save a life or protect a child from getting sick and unless you have 100% proof that the vaccine causes autism and injuries then you have to know there is at least a possibility that by not taking the vaccine because of this movie a child could be harmed or worse. You HAVE to know that exists. Even the most hard-core ant-vaccine person in the world understands this, even if it’s buried somewhere inside… maybe where there heart used to be.

          And if you’re okay with this possibility or if you’ve refused to acknowledge this possibility then all I can say is may god have mercy on your soul when you are judged.

          • WarriorMama says:

            Life is full of hurdles we all have to overcome, Rich. Speaking for myself and mine, I don’t make medical decisions for my family with others in mind; I do it with my own child in mind. That is my job as a parent. And this movie is only one consideration of many, many considerations out there that people questioning vaccines might look into before they make their own decisions for their own families. To deny the movie because it might not fall in line with your opinions makes no sense. This film is not the-be-all-end-all, very last word on this issue. Stop giving it so much power. Do your own thing and do what’s best for you; stop stressing over what others do. Folks out there are doing much worse than not vaccinating. Worry about that.

            • Rich says:

              It is true that people do worse than not vaccinate.

              I disagree that it’s a consideration to be pro-vaccine. As a husband to a doctor who understands the proven science, there are facts involved that can’t be labeled “considerations” or opinions. Having said that science is ever changing of course. That is the nature of science and medicine. But remember that science is not a belief system and can never be labeled as such. You can choose not to follow science but you can’t ever say you don’t believe in it.

            • Stephen Ericson says:

              ” Having said that science is ever changing of course. That is the nature of science and medicine. But remember that science is not a belief system and can never be labeled as such. ”

              Science is changing. It’s the nature of science, in that it changes. Ok, I follow you.

              Something that it thought of as true today, may be thought to be untrue tomorrow. Check

              So, when that happens, are the people who thought the thing that is now wrong was right, now wrong? Not in that they’re currently wrong, but that they were wrong? Not morally, but factually wrong?

          • Stephen Ericson says:

            “And some will get sick or die because of it.”

            You can’t prove that though.

            • Rich says:

              Hope Delozier.

              Ezekial Stephan.

              Two children dead because their parents were anti-medicine and anti-science.

              Sadly these weren’t the first and won’t be the last.

              Children are NOT property.

              Parents don’t have the right to sacrifice their child on the alter of their personal beliefs.

              But I guess you disagree with that.

            • rtp says:

              Doctors are the third leading cause of death in the Western world – and that is by their own generous figures.

              http://www.hospitalsafetyscore.org/newsroom/display/hospitalerrors-thirdleading-causeofdeathinus-improvementstooslow

              So according to your logic, parents should be *banned* from taking their children to a doctor shouldn’t they?

            • Rich says:

              My wife is a doctor you ignorant hateful person. You honestly just gave the STUPIDEST RESPONSE in the history of stupid responses in the HISTORY OF THE FREE WORLD.

              Why didn’t you say using my logic alcohol and cars should be banned? They kill a lot more than doctors!

              How many lives have doctors saved? Where is your numbers on that? COME ON I’M WAITING? Doctors are the #1 cause of saved lives in case you are too lazy to google it.

              You do realize when a doctor sees a severely sick, old or gunshot victim or someone with cancer they’re likely to die no matter what. The fact that save so many is incredible and should be praised not attacked. I am proud of how many lives my wife saves but sadly people die every day in her care too. But they’d all die without her.

              You just proved who you really are and it’s disgusting. I’m done talking to someone who hates doctors. I hope you never really need to go to one for your sake.

            • rtp says:

              How would I know how many they have saved?

              How many have been saved by engineers? Plumbers? Farmers?

              Quite a lot I would say. Doesn’t give any of those people a right to dictate how the rest of us live. And they don’t.

              But doctors are a completely different breed. Ultra ultra precious. And your response just reinforces that preciousness.

              I do recall a story once of doctors in Israel going on strike and do you know what happened?

              Total death rates fell! The funeral parlours were complaining (ok I made that latter part up but the first part is true).

              Doctors kept up with emergency treatment but were on strike for the rest. So the reasonable conclusion is that, excluding emergency medicine, most parts of medicine are dangerous.

              That may be a little simplistic but there is certainly some truth to it.

              Regardless, doctors have absolutely no right to dictate what others can and can’t do anymore than farmers, engineers or plumbers can.

              But they do.

              “You do realize when a doctor sees a severely sick, old or gunshot victim or someone with cancer they’re likely to die no matter what.”

              The figure is for doctor mistakes. It does not seek to count those who died despite the best medical care.

              ‘You just proved who you really are and it’s disgusting.”

              Ultra, ultra precious.

            • RichCoulter says:

              Angelica Black, permanent brain damage from her 3 month vaccines which her pediatrician said to her parents were “perfectly safe” and concerns about vaccine safety were “unfounded”
              http://www.charlotteobserver.com/living/health-family/article11620775.html

              Yes, I guess they disagree with you.

            • RichCoulter says:

              Ezekial Stephan? None of the prosecution’s doctors has claimed that they could have definitively diagnosed meningitis from the symptoms Ezekiel exhibited at the time. None has claimed that Ezekiel could definitely have been saved, even if he had received aggressive treatment.

              Lie much there Mr. My Wife Is A Doctor And If You Say Anything About Doctors I’m Going To Cry All Night?

    • Anonymous says:

      “SINGLE THING to change A SINGLE THING” Great line, I will use it as soon as possible, thanks.

    • the paradigm of vaccine is flawed since the beginning.. doesn’t work, causes harm.
      http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven.html

      • Rich says:

        How many times have you been to Africa David and held a 5 year old child in your arms as he died from Measles?

        I’m guessing none since you’d never go to Africa if you aren’t vaccinated. And that says it all. I realize you only care about your sheltered and privileged existence. If only the rest of the world could have such privilege.

        • Measles kills ZERO in the U$A .. prior to the autism causing MMR vaccine, measles was commonly known as a normal “childhood disease” which helps to BUILD the human immune system.
          Vaccine is a failed / fraudulent “cure” which is far worse than the disease
          BUT it makes a lot of money for the $pHARMa medical industrial complex… plus that side benefit of profiting from the horror of autism which the vaccines cause.

          • also, I notice that your comment came within 4 minute of my posting:
            the paradigm of vaccine is flawed since the beginning.. doesn’t work, causes harm.
            http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven.html

            .. it would take many hours to digest the information there, which recapitulates the proof of vaccine causing autism (and other damage)

            • Rich says:

              David, you’re the reason people make fun of people like you. All you do spout talking points of people before you. You don’t think for yourself. You don’t have a medical or science degree. You refuse to respond to my legitimate questions. Again, anyone can post any links they want but you can’t change science. You’re never going to be able to post a legitimate medical or scientific study that proves your point. Never.

              I’ll ask you again. How many times have you been to Africa David and held a 5 year old child in your arms as he died from Measles?

              American is the the world. Your response proves your self-righteous and privileged views. You can’t see anywhere but what is around you. You don’t care about anyone who isn’t in your world…in your country….your life. You certainly don’t care about anyone who doesn’t look like you (i.e. white.)

              How many times have you been to Africa David and held a 5 year old child in your arms as he died from Measles?

              How about this question YOU WON’T ANSWER. If vaccines are only 2-3% of “big pharma’s” profit margin each year then how are they making them big money?

              Here’s another question you won’t answer. Wouldn’t it make more sense for “big pharma” to help get rid of vaccines and instead of eliminating diseases, make BAZILLIONS of dollars on treating them? Vaccines are literally preventing big pharma from making so much money a word hasn’t been invented for the number they could make if there were no vaccines.

              Keep repeating yourself and sending debunked and illegitimate links by kooks and pseudoscience nuts. Keep denying that preventing a vaccine from a child has zero change of harming them. Keep refusing to accept there are thousands of children dying each year worldwide from a disease you are safe from the US (mostly) BECAUSE OF VACCINES. Keep refusing to care about anyone not in your white privileged world.

              Keep living in denial. But you know what David? If you keep doing that you aren’t really living at all.

            • Stephen Ericson says:

              “Keep living in denial. But you know what David? If you keep doing that you aren’t really living at all.”

              Do tell? You mean to say that if it was found that the MMR vaccine was guilty as charged, you’d come back to the Truth Barrier and apologize for your condescending tone. I won’t hold my breath.

              “Here’s another question you won’t answer. Wouldn’t it make more sense for “big pharma” to help get rid of vaccines and instead of eliminating diseases, make BAZILLIONS of dollars on treating them?”

              No. Treating them requires that a person who becomes sick become well. There’s a before and after. If the person doesn’t become well, it’s provable that their methods don’t work. Vaccines don’t require as much testing as actual medicines do, and the business model stipulates that they’re given to more people; only the sick need medicine, while everyone should be vaccinated. So, no they wouldn’t make more money treating people for the measles. Tylenol, anti biotics, and vitamin A are already available. So, this argument doesn’t hold water.

            • Rich says:

              You’re 100% incorrect.

              Vaccines don’t give them much profit. 2-3% of their profit margin.

              If every disease was brought back from the past that has been eliminated from disease the estimation of how much pharma would make of treating those diseases alone (not counting diseases we already have) is it would reach 85% of their profit margin and make them way more than 100’s of billions then they are making now. So 85 vs. 3. I wonder which they’d rather have? Keep living in your denial dream world where you have an answer for everything.

              But no answers. 🙂

            • rtp says:

              Ever since the widespread use of vaccines, healthcare expenditure as a percentage of GDP has quadrupled and Merck’s net income has risen 60 fold in real terms.

              If people were to wake up to the fact that vaccines were useless and dangerous then the market capitalization of every pharma company would fall to zero overnight due to lawsuits and/or loss of reputation. And the rest of the medical industry/bureaucracy wouldn’t fare too well either.

              Like apple pies and McDonald’s. They aren’t a large part of their profits but if they were killing or maiming 1 per cent of those who ate them then the entire company would be on its knees due to lawsuits and brand loss.

        • jane says:

          So….why do you think that an informed populace will result in African children not receiving vaccines? I just want to continue to have the right not to vaccinate my own children and allow others to make the same choice. But, to do that, all the risk factors need to be known.

    • WarriorMama says:

      Here’s the thing, Rich. This isn’t about winning with our search for the truth. No matter what is said, what is written, whether the film does well or it tanks, how many ‘studies’ are done concerning autism and vaccines, it changes nothing. NOTHING. WE do not vaccinate because it is harmful to some. We do not vaccinate because we, or ours, have been harmed. Or maybe we vaccinate but we want the world to know that big pharm is fraught with fraud and deceit. Under this scenario, no one wins. NO ONE. It isn’t about that. It’s about the truth. You do you, my friend. I’ll do me. No winners here.

      • Rich says:

        WarriorMama

        Incorrect. There are many winners. I’ve been to africa and given out thousands of vaccines to children. I’m come back years later and seen them alive because of it. I’ve had crying mothers hug me and thank me for saving there lives. They are the winners of medical science.

        The losers are people like yourself who would rather they didn’t get vaccines. The losers are the children I couldn’t reach in time and died (including many literally in my arms.)

        You can choose to do whatever you want but thankfully the world doesn’t share you view and thankfully your views are only on the fringes. Thankfully for the children saved every day and for the ones who can’t be saved that you are indirectly responsible for….the shame is yours.

        • WarriorMama says:

          I don’t care who gets vaccines and what you do is noble. I don’t vaccinate my children. Has nothing to do with you or your work. As I said, you do you, and bless you for saving lives.

          • Rich says:

            Thank you. At least you admit they save lives.

            • rtp says:

              She is wrong. You poisoned children for nothing.

              And I do love your statement that you witnessed them alive as a result of the vaccines.

              How could you have possibly known such a thing?

              My kids are fully unvaccinated and still alive. So does that prove that *not* vaccinating them is the reason they are alive?

              You are fundamentally dishonest. And no wonder. You have, by your own admission, poisoned thousands of children.

              There is no way you will ever admit the truth to yourself.

              The statistics clearly show that childhood mortality trends were not in any way improved by the vaccine programs so you console yourself with the magical and fanciful to keep assuring yourself that you did the right thing.

            • Rich says:

              The fact that you have kids is truly scary.

              I’ll say a prayer for them tonight and thankfully you can’t control them when they reach 18 and hopefully they won’t pass down your mental diseases to their own children.

              Being anti-vax is one thing. But at least I can respect many anti-vaxxers as human because they…well are. You’re just a monster masquerading as a man. You hold such extreme views that even anti-vaxxers are disgusted by you.

              Ironically your very extreme views are actually HURTING the cause you are fighting for. If your side ever didn’t get such crazy loons spouting extreme hate and insanity but instead tried to respectfully call for changes using evidence based medicine and science maybe then you’d have a chance at change.

              But if people like you are the face of the movement it’s no wonder you’re lumped in with 9/11 deniers and Holocaust deniers. But again, those people have more evidence on their side.

              You’re just a mean angry man shouting on a lawn and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. The fact that you admitted that you’d never agree with anyone who disagrees with you says it all.

              My daughter is six years old and ten times the person you are. And WAY more mature. Good luck with the rest of your miserable life.

              I’ll go back to enjoying the California sun and watching our movement toast to another success when school starts in the fall. 🙂

              P.S. You won’t be hearing from me again.

              Game.

              Set.

              Match.

            • rtp says:

              “The fact that you have kids is truly scary.”

              It would be for you. They have never seen a doctor much less had antibiotics.

              Not once. For you, children that aren’t permanently drugged would be petrifying.

              “I’ll say a prayer for them tonight and thankfully you can’t control them when they reach 18 and hopefully they won’t pass down your mental diseases to their own children.”

              Say a prayer? You’re a Christian?

              One who likes to forcibly inject vaccines made from aborted fetal tissue into people who don’t want them? One that thinks that God is so vile and disgusting that those He created in his own image need to be purified with a man-made concoction the day they are born lest they be a clear and present danger to the rest of humanity?

              Jesus cavorted with lepers. Vaccine fascists are petrified of toddlers.

              There are going to be an awful lot of “Christians” in for a rude shock when they get to the Pearly Gates.

              “Being anti-vax is one thing. But at least I can respect many anti-vaxxers as human because they…well are.”

              Hahahahahaha!!!

              You haven’t said one thing that was remotely respectful to anybody else here. You poured scorn on them. You are scared of my “extreme” views because they are completely coherent. You haven’t been able to lay a glove on a single one. So you try and dissuade others from doing the same thing.

              But they will. And indeed they are. Up until now we have been woefully incoherent. But that is changing (albeit slower than I like) and now more and more non-vaxxers are coming to grips with the fact that precisely none of them do or even can work.

              And believe me, when we are as coherent as we are noisy – the collapse of this paradigm will be extraordinary.

              “You’re just a monster masquerading as a man. You hold such extreme views that even anti-vaxxers are disgusted by you.”

              Now you are an expert on how anti-vaxxers think.

              “Ironically your very extreme views are actually HURTING the cause you are fighting for.”

              Really? A rather odd statement considering that you haven’t come across them before and you keep on saying how poorly we have hitherto been doing.

              Surely the only sensible conclusion is the exact opposite of what you say.

              “If your side ever didn’t get such crazy loons spouting extreme hate and insanity but instead tried to respectfully call for changes using evidence based medicine and science maybe then you’d have a chance at change.”

              Again, you have already stated several times that we had no chance whatsoever. Now you are handing out advice on strategy. Sorry. But nobody is going to believe you.

              “But if people like you are the face of the movement it’s no wonder you’re lumped in with 9/11 deniers and Holocaust deniers. But again, those people have more evidence on their side.”

              If I am the face of the movement then how come you are so completely shocked by the opinions I espouse?

              “The fact that you admitted that you’d never agree with anyone who disagrees with you says it all.”

              You do realise that description is true for yourself – and all of humanity – don’t you?

              “My daughter is six years old and ten times the person you are. And WAY more mature. Good luck with the rest of your miserable life.”

              Cheers.

              “I’ll go back to enjoying the California sun and watching our movement toast to another success when school starts in the fall. :)”

              The government decided that it couldn’t use evidence and logic to get people to vaccinate so now it just punishes people who don’t. And you think that is a “victory”?

              I would have thought it was an acknowledgement of defeat.

              “P.S. You won’t be hearing from me again.”

              That’ll learn me!

            • rtp says:

              And by the way, why do you support forced medical experimentation on children?

              You do realise that is what happened in the Holocaust don’t you?

              Why do you support the actions of Nazi doctors? Your views are a million times worse than Holocaust deniers I would have thought. Forget about denying it, you actually support what happened!

              I suspect it is the same with vaccine injury denial. Most just deny it. I dare say that you actually want it to happen.

        • Stephen Ericson says:

          “I’m come back years later and seen them alive because of it.”

          Correlation doesn’t prove causation though, does it rich? Just because they received the vaccine doesn’t mean that they would have died without it. The human race survived for…I’m guessing decades before vaccines were discovered.

          All of your work could, I’m not saying was, but could have been a huge waste of time, energy, money, and worse…could have caused a number of those children you tired to help to become neurologically damaged.

          That would stink wouldn’t it?

          • Stephen Ericson says:

            I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to write your name with a small r. That was a typo.

            • Rich says:

              It’s not possible that the vaccines didn’t save their lives because all there sisters and brothers who didn’t get the vaccine died. ALL OF THEM.

              Saying “you can’t prove it” is hardly going to be a consolation to their parents. Vaccines save lives. Millions actually. But go on saying “there’s a chance it wasn’t the vaccine.”

              Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available.

              In 2014, there were 114 900 measles deaths globally – about 314 deaths every day or 13 deaths every hour.

              Measles vaccination resulted in a 79% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2014 worldwide. (Maybe just coincidence?)

              In 2014, about 85% of the world’s children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services – up from 73% in 2000.

              During 2000-2014, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 17.1 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.

            • Stephen Ericson says:

              “It’s not possible that the vaccines didn’t save their lives because all there sisters and brothers who didn’t get the vaccine died. ALL OF THEM.”

              Well that proves that you didn’t see the movie in question then. If you did you’d realize that there are a set of twins that it shows, one who received the MMR and the other who didn’t. Of course the one who did developed ‘autism’ and the one who didn’t speaks 4 languages.

              But, that said…why didn’t you give the vaccine to the other brothers and sisters? Did you murder them on purpose?

            • Rich says:

              Did you really just give me a single example from a movie and try to get me to believe that means anything?

              Guess what my daughter is vaccinated and her friend isn’t (she couldn’t because she is in regression from leukemia and can’t go outside to public areas for fear an unvaccinated person will expose her…thank you for that btw.) Anyways, her friend has issues learning how to read and has from the start of her life while my daughter reads at a sixth grade level (and she’s in 3rd grade.)

              I didn’t give the vaccine to their other children because they had already died before I got there. Geez.

              Would you even travel to Africa? Would you try to convince African parents not ot vaccine their kids?

              Freedom of choice is great…except when it harms children. Which is why you don’t have the freedom to do anything you want with them in this country (such as abuse or hit them.)

            • Stephen Ericson says:

              “Did you really just give me a single example from a movie and try to get me to believe that means anything?”

              I made the same argument did. Are you really trying to say that because you saw what you saw on your one trip to Africa proves that that thousands of families around the world who report the adverse reaction that they’ve reported are wrong?

              “Guess what my daughter is vaccinated and her friend isn’t ”

              So, you call me out because of a single example, and then you use a…single example? Lol.

              “Would you even travel to Africa? Would you try to convince African parents not ot vaccine their kids?”

              No, I’d only point out media bias. But that said, did you ever do a return trip to the dark continent to see if any of the children that you gave the shot to developed neurological damage?

              I’m guessing that you’re not interested in that, are you?

            • Rich says:

              If you read my earlier comments I returned 4 years after my initial trip and again 5 years after that. That’s when I received the hugs of thanks and got to spend time with children I had helped save. No damage either just happiness to be alive. The ones that died before them only have gravestones. Do you want the pictures?

              SMH. And the fact that you’d admit to not wanting to travel outside your bubble is no surprise. If you don’t know what’s going on there, it won’t effect what you think here. You don’t want anything to mess up your theories do you?

              If you really thought vaccines didn’t work, you’d have no trouble going to a country where they are essential to protect you from diseases.

            • rtp says:

              “It’s not possible that the vaccines didn’t save their lives because all there sisters and brothers who didn’t get the vaccine died. ALL OF THEM.”

              I believe you. I really do.

              Well actually I don’t. I mean, were you deliberately vaccinating just one of each family as a controlled study? Seems unlikely. You are just making stuff up.

              “I didn’t give the vaccine to their other children because they had already died before I got there. Geez.”

              Yep. You lied. First you said you observed it yourself then you admitted that it all happened *before* you ever got there. You have no idea and just made the whole thing up.

              Is that because you are a pathological liar?

              I mean, there are only two possible conclusions from your claim. Either that you weren’t talking about thousands and thousands of families you were talking about just one and one alone which makes your statement worthless. Or you are seriously claiming that 100 per cent of Africans all died before the vaccine programs started in which case you are an obscene liar.

              As I have said, the statistics clearly show that the vaccine programs were not followed by an improvement in the general mortality trend for children or infants but even if they had, the statement that 100 per cent of Africans had died (you even capitalised the “ALL OF THEM”) before the vaccine programs is one of the most colossal lies I have ever seen.

              “In 2014, there were 114 900 measles deaths globally – about 314 deaths every day or 13 deaths every hour.

              Measles vaccination resulted in a 79% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2014 worldwide. (Maybe just coincidence?)”

              Not a coincidence – just completely made up. It simply never happened.

        • ang says:

          `Rich, are you quite sane? The research says things like ”” individuals immunized with an acellular pertussis vaccine may be protected from disease, they may still become infected with the bacteria without always getting sick and are able to spread infection to others, including young infants who are susceptible to pertussis disease.””” That means those vaccinated with aP since 1995 are actually carriers, they still catch carry and spread, they infect babies, babies die, and then the babies are suddenly the 100% dead, because they werent vaccinated? You cant vaccinate babies, now all the baby deaths are caused by fully vaccinated siblings infecting the baby, they just dont show symptoms. The vaccines are causing outbreaks. Australia had no pertussis outbreaks, EVER, PRE VACCINATION or with the whole cell vaccine, even with only 30% vaccination rates. roll on to 1992. intro of aP vaccine, rates went from near zero,, to 360 per 100,000 this year? Hello? It is doubling each year because of the aP useless vaccine people, catching carrying and spreading. NOTE THE 360 PER 100,000 are only the aP vaccine failures, the ones still with working vaccine, still GOT PERTUSSIS, but dont get counted, because they have no symptoms. What next? pre vaccinating babies so they dont catch pertussis from vaccinated family members, who are symptomless carriers.? Oh they tried that, that was called Zika (sic) in Brazil, every pregnant woman got DTap beginning May, look what happened because of that GSK vaccine manufacturerd in Penumbucco, started seeing the babies? Sorry GSK, Merck et al and CDC, it is getting so damn absurdedly corrupt, how can one NOT SEE IT?

          As for Rich, wow, you must be working overtime tonight, in your obvious pharma paid trolling.

    • RichCoulter says:

      And yet despite all those studies you’ve mentioned, not a single one compares rates of ASDs between only fully vaccinated and never vaccinated individuals. Hey if I want to study the dangers of smoking and I choose to study those who smoke 46 cigarettes a day and those who smoke 48 cigarettes a day and conclude that overall health outcomes are there same therefore smoking is perfectly safe, do you agree? Then why do you on vaccines? Science much?

  5. John says:
    • Stephen Ericson says:

      John, who are these anti vaccer’s you speak of? Andy Wakefield surely isn’t one.

      Thanks for your interest in the Truth Barrier!

      • John says:

        Just like Holocaust deniers aren’t Holocaust deniers. Because they agree it actually happened. That some people died. But the camps that killed Jews? Not real. 6 million jews dead? No that’s about 5.5 million more than died. And the ones who died were because of the camps poor conditions and their diet. So no they are not “holocaust deniers.” Just like Wakefield isn’t an “Anti-Vaxxer.”

        The only difference between Holocaust deniers and Wakefield is that they actually have more evidence.

        • Stephen Ericson says:

          He’s not anti vaccinations in that he recommends that vaccinations continue and has never uttered a word otherwise.

          He merely recommends that the MMR be broken up into three separate shots. So, therefore, to repeat that he’s ‘anti-vax’ over and over again makes you seem, well like you’re either unable to digest the subject matter, or your willfully telling a lie.

        • rtp says:

          John,

          Hitler was popular in Germany at the time. So according to your logic the Holocaust was a perfectly moral act and nobody had the right to question it.

          Alternatively – for those of us who like to think – suppressing dissenting views because they are unpopular is the single most evil and dangerous act that anybody can possibly commit.

          Doing so is a guarantee of tyranny.

          • rtp says:

            And by the way, the Holocaust included forced medical experimentation.

            But this is something you are completely supportive of John. You believe parents should be forced into medical experiments on their children (governments take data after the vaccine program to evaluate it so it is an experiment).

            In other words, your position is a million times worse than holocaust deniers. You actually support many of their actions.

    • the paradigm of vaccine is flawed since the beginning.. doesn’t work, causes harm.
      http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven.html

  6. Elizabeth Ely says:

    And another thing: How long do these goons think they can silence discussions, films, articles, Facebook groups and books on this topic? Are they willing to do so pretty much indefinitely? How do they intend to do that? Jailing of anyone who speaks up? Extrajudicial killings? Which kinds of trials and murders don’t attract too much attention to parents wondering if their kids are safe if scientists and journalists need to be killed off to shut them up? 15 years? 30 years?

    • Dave says:

      Why would they need to silence anyone when they have science and pretty much 95%% of the free world on their side (as well as 100% of the medical and scientific community.) This is akin to holocaust deniers asking “how long will they silence us?!!!” as a way to basically say your opinion is warranted of even being considered to be silenced. News flash…It’s not.

      But if you need a specific answer as to when your views will actually be recognized and respected how about never? You will die never having your views recognized and respected and certainly not proven. That is a fact. I know it’s hard to understand and accept but maybe it’s better you start spending your life on something more worthy that actually has a chance of changing something? Just a thought. 🙂

      • Stephen Ericson says:

        “But if you need a specific answer as to when your views will actually be recognized and respected how about never?”

        Well Dave, that distinction isn’t merely for you to give. There are a lot of different people in the world, they’re all individuals.

        ” You will die never having your views recognized and respected and certainly not proven”

        The way you argue makes you seem kind of mental, and add to that that you don’t know that. Vaccines have been proven to cause adverse reactions before, in fact there are warnings to that effect in some of the inserts.

        “. I know it’s hard to understand and accept but maybe it’s better you start spending your life on something more worthy that actually has a chance of changing something? Just a thought. :)”

        That cuts both ways Rich…I mean Dave. Not that I’m accusing you of sock puppeting, you just seem a lot like this other guy who calls himself Rich. But I digress, there could be better ways to spend your day as well.

      • rtp says:

        “But if you need a specific answer as to when your views will actually be recognized and respected how about never? You will die never having your views recognized and respected and certainly not proven. That is a fact. I know it’s hard to understand and accept but maybe it’s better you start spending your life on something more worthy that actually has a chance of changing something? Just a thought.”

        ^ Desperation.

      • RichCoulter says:

        No study has ever compared rates of ASDs between only fully vaccinated and never vaccinated individuals, therefore the only science that is on YOUR side is industry-funded, ghostwritten pseudoscience.

    • the paradigm of vaccine is flawed since the beginning.. doesn’t work, causes harm.
      http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven.html

  7. Elizabeth Ely says:

    My my God, Celia, my blood is boiling. That review in the Guardian (probably the same one you’re citing here as the New York Times review) was completely wrong. I tried to comment that I guessed they’re okey-dokey with DATA BEING TAKEN OUT OF A CLINICAL SAFETY STUDY, since that’s what the film is about. You always know a dishonest review by the closing of comments within a day of its being posted. In this space, no one can hear you scream.

  8. Stephen Ericson says:

    Just to give some perspective on that number, $28,000 in an opening weekend, let’s look at how it compares to Fahrenheit 9/11’s opening weekend, which was surrounded by hype, and took place during a heated political season, and had copious television advertising.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fahrenheit911.htm

    $27,558 average.

    So, adjusted for inflation and ticket price, it’s in the same ball park success wise. The notion that the movie is ‘Fizzling’ is nonsense. Fabricated nonsense.

  9. John Powell says:

    Citizens Celia Farber and Stephen Ericson,
    thou foul and flameworthy heretics! Repent!
    Proclaim thee thine contrition, unto the Holy Congregation
    and to its Councils of our Lord!
    Go thee to thy knees, and cry out thou thy pleas for mercy, to
    the Most High Mighty One, our Heavenly Father, Uniformity!
    Repent thee! Repent thee!
    Repent, else thee be sent below
    by the Lord, to the flaming swords
    of the Uniformity Militants’ Mockery.

    • Stephen Ericson says:

      (spit)

    • Anonymous says:

      ““Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.”
      Matthew 7:15 NIV

      “You, however, smear me with lies; you are worthless physicians, all of you!”
      Job 13:4 NIV

      • Anonymous says:

        These passages were for you John Powell

        • John Powell says:

          To you, Anonymous:

          Why have you sent those passages to me? Did you send the first one because you think that I am associating with some group of prophets which has been infiltrated by imposters who have bad intentions?

          Did you send the second passage to me because you feel that I’m some sort of physician who has provided you with worthless medical services which include smearing lies on your stubbed toe and patches of dry skin?

          One last thing: Why do you hide behind the word “Anonymous”? What are you ashamed of so much that you feel like hiding yourself? Your message to me (above) is a mish-mash of efforts to hide from openly and confidently saying what you want to say; and efforts to conceal who it was that concocted the mish-mash.

          I encourage you to get rid of the childish urge to conceal yourself, and I encourage you to CLEARLY say what that message (above) was supposed to be saying to me. It isn’t clear at all.

    • the paradigm of vaccine is flawed since the beginning.. doesn’t work, causes harm.
      http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven.html

      • rtp says:

        David, while I completely agree with you – you need to provide better material to convince people. Not suggesting anything wrong with that link but nobody ever reads links that might challenge their worldview – you need to force them to see it.

        Here is what you can say instead:

        The purpose of the polio vaccine was to bring about a reduction in total rates of non-trauma paralysis and crippling. It failed.

        The purpose of the rubella vaccine was to bring about a reduction in total rates of congenital defects. It failed.

        The purpose of the measles vaccine was to bring about a reduction in total rates of encephalitis and deafness. It failed.

        The purpose of the Hep B vaccine was to bring about a reduction in total rates of liver cancer/disease. It failed.

        The purpose of the Hib and Prevnar vaccines was to bring about a reduction in total rates of meningitis/pneumonia/sepsis. They failed.

        The purpose of the diphtheria/pertussis vaccines was to bring about a reduction in acute respiratory infections. They failed.

        The purpose of the mumps vaccine was to reduce sterility. It failed.

        And then you can back it up with references:

        References

        Rubella and congenital defects: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5701a2.htm. http://www.researchgate.net/publication/8935557_The_Metropolitan_Atlanta_Congenital_Defects_Program_35_Years_of_Birth_Defects_Surveillance_at_the_Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention

        Polio and paralysis/crippling:

        https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206817678372895&set=a.1750128025376.2087895.1004117169&type=3&theater (before you say “but this is just a facebook site” it uses the following WHO data)
        extranet.who.int/polis/public/CaseCount.aspx and http://www.who.int/bulletin/archives/78(3)321.pdf (see data for total AFP in India and other developing countries in 1996 and again in 2014) as well as http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v18n6/v18n6p20.pdf and http://www.census.gov/people/disability/ publications/sipp2010.html (Table A-4) (for disability rates). And http://www.christopherreeve.org/site/c.mtKZKgMWKwG/b.5184189/k.5587/Paralysis_Facts__Figures.htm (Around one in 50 Americans have some paralysis and around 40 per cent of those cases are due to disease).

        Diphtheria/pertussis and acute respiratory disease: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0804877 and http://www.pharmacytoday.co.nz/news/2015/may-2015/05/respiratory-hospitalisations-keep-climbing-despite-healthcare-improvements.aspx

        Hep B vaccine and liver cancer/disease:
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19224838 and http://news.sky.com/story/1418422/dramatic-rise-in-liver-disease-deaths

        Hib vaccine and meningitis/pneumonia/sepsis. http://www9.health.gov.au/cda/source/rpt_2.cfm… (look at meningococcal disease (invasive) and pneumococcal disease (invasive)) and because of the dismal failure of this vaccine it was inevitably followed by further attempts to vaccinate people against meningitis supposedly caused by other strains (eg Prevnar) showing that abject lunacy (doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result) is the standard procedure for vaccination policy experts. Further information here https://avn.org.au/hib/

        Measles vaccine and encephalitis/deafness. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870605/ and http://www.hear-it.org/35-million-Americans-suffering-from-hearing-loss

        Rotavirus vaccine and gastro deaths:

        From 1985-1991, pediatric deaths in the US from diarrhea from ALL causes numbered around 300 per year:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7563485 ALL causes. Total in 2010: 520 pediatric deaths due to intestinal issues that cause diarrhea
        http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_04.pdf

        • Tristan Wells Mom says:

          “The purpose of the polio vaccine was to bring about a reduction in total rates of non-trauma paralysis and crippling. It failed.”

          WRONG.
          The purpose of the polio vaccine was to bring about a reduction in total rates of non-trauma paralysis and crippling. It failed. No, the purpose of the polio vaccine was to bring about a reduction in the rate of polio and its attendant paralysis. According to the CDC, polio was one of the most dreaded childhood diseases of the 20th century, with routine epidemics having occurred since the late 19th century, epidemics that increased in size by the early 1950s to average 10,000 to 20,000 cases per year. After the introduction of the polio vaccine, the number of cases plummeted, and there hasn’t been a case of paralytic polio in the US since 1979.

          “The purpose of the rubella vaccine was to bring about a reduction in total rates of congenital defects. It failed.”

          NO, the purpose of the rubella vaccine was to bring about a decline in the incidence of rubella and rubella-associated birth defects, known as the congenital rubella syndrome. In 1969 there were 57,686 cases of rubella reported. After vaccine licensure, as is the case with vaccine-preventable diseases, rubella incidence plummeted rapidly, with less than 1,000 cases reported in 1983 and only seven cases in 2003 and a median of 11 cases annually between 2005 and 2013. The incidence of CRS paralleled the decline in rubella cases. In October 2004, the CDC convened an independent expert panel to review available rubella and CRS data. After a careful review, the panel unanimously agreed that rubella was no longer endemic in the United States.

          “The purpose of the measles vaccine was to bring about a reduction in total rates of encephalitis and deafness. It failed.”

          NO, the purpose of the measles vaccine was to bring about a decline in the incidence of measles and measles-associated complications. Measles is among the most-contagious known diseases, and before 1963, when the measles vaccine was licensed, there were approximately 500,000 cases and 500 deaths due to measles reported annually, with epidemic cycles every 2-3 years. However, the actual number of cases was estimated at 3-4 million annually. After 1963, the incidence of measles plunged by more than 95% and the epidemic cycles ceased. Unfortunately, there have been periodic resurgences, such as the Disneyland measles outbreak earlier this year. Such outbreaks have always been linked to populations with low vaccine uptake.

          “The purpose of the Hep B vaccine was to bring about a reduction in total rates of liver cancer/disease. It failed.”

          NO, the goal of the hepatitis B vaccine was to bring about a reduction in the incidence of hepatitis B. The secondary goal, of course, is to reduce the incidence of hepatitis B-related liver cancer and disease. The problem is that cirrhosis and the liver cancer that can result from cirrhosis due to chronic hepatitis B infection take decades to develop. The birth dose of hepatitis B was only strongly recommended in 2005, meaning that there has probably not been enough time to see a significant reduction in end stage liver disease and cancer due to hepatitis B. We would expect that reduction to be small, anyway, because hepatitis B is far from the only cause of liver failure and cancer. In the US, the number one cause of cirrhosis is alcohol abuse; number two is hepatitis C.

          “The purpose of the Hib and Prevnar vaccines was to bring about a reduction in total rates of meningitis/pneumonia/sepsis. They failed. ”

          NO, the purpose of the Hib and Prevnar vaccines were to bring about a reduction in incidence of Hib in children and pneumococcal pneumonia. The Hib vaccine succeeded spectacularly in reducing the incidence of Hib. Prevnar is also quite effective against the strains of pneumococcus for which it is designed.

          “The purpose of the diphtheria/pertussis vaccines was to bring about a reduction in acute respiratory infections. They failed.”

          NO, the purpose of the diphtheria/pertussis vaccines was to decrease the incidence of diphtheria and pertussis. Both succeeded.
          The purpose of the mumps vaccine was to reduce sterility. It failed. No, the purpose of the mumps vaccine was to reduce the incidence of mumps, which it has done, including the incidence of mumps orchitis, which could lead to sterility.

          • ang says:

            Well said…………………………….. cant mess up that lot! And yes also Andy Wakefield was never antivaccine, neither am I. I AM ANTI FRAUD, so I guess the problem is 99% of the vaccines are total fraud.

            • ang says:

              As for the purpose of the pertussis vacines decreasing pertussis, the aP vaccine is causing an increase of pertussis, of over 100% a year in Australia, so time you got your statistics up to date Tristan, Australia had no pertussis until the 1992 aP vaccine got introduced, now we have 360 cases per 100,000 and that is STILL DOUBLING EACH YEAR. And the facts are, only the aP vaccinated, and babies, are actually catching it. ie 25% of the population, vaccinated with the aP vaccine, are causing 360 cases per 25,000 in reality, no one who is older than 22, ie those who didnt get the aP vaccine, is catching it. Wow 360 cases per 25,000 incredible isnt it (and they are just the ones who show symptoms). Assuming two infected aP asymptomatic carriers, per every one with a recognised and reported illness, that is like 1000 cases per 25,000 per year. Yeah 1 in 25!!!……………under age 22 have pertussis each year!

            • ang says:

              Worry isnt it? Mothers with babies, stay indoors! Get the PCR test if your kids havent had pertussis yet. Make sure they are NOT aP symptomless vaccinated carriers, then stay home with bub for 6 months, before venturing out.

        • ang says:

          `Rich, are you quite sane? The research says things like ”” individuals immunized with an acellular pertussis vaccine may be protected from disease, they may still become infected with the bacteria without always getting sick and are able to spread infection to others, including young infants who are susceptible to pertussis disease.””” That means those vaccinated with aP since 1995 are actually carriers, they still catch carry and spread, they infect babies, babies die, and then the babies are suddenly the 100% dead, because they werent vaccinated? You cant vaccinate babies, now all the baby deaths are caused by fully vaccinated siblings infecting the baby, they just dont show symptoms. The vaccines are causing outbreaks. Australia had no pertussis outbreaks, EVER, PRE VACCINATION or with the whole cell vaccine, even with only 30% vaccination rates. roll on to 1992. intro of aP vaccine, rates went from near zero,, to 360 per 100,000 this year? Hello? It is doubling each year because of the aP useless vaccine people, catching carrying and spreading. NOTE THE 360 PER 100,000 are only the aP vaccine failures, the ones still with working vaccine, still GOT PERTUSSIS, but dont get counted, because they have no symptoms. What next? pre vaccinating babies so they dont catch pertussis from vaccinated family members, who are symptomless carriers.? Oh they tried that, that was called Zika (sic) in Brazil, every pregnant woman got DTap beginning May, look what happened because of that GSK vaccine manufacturerd in Penumbucco, started seeing the babies? Sorry GSK, Merck et al and CDC, it is getting so damn absurdedly corrupt, how can one NOT SEE IT?

          As for Rich, wow, you must be working overtime tonight, in your obvious pharma paid trolling.

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